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Angela Rayner sacked [shock]

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Youarecountingonme · 08/05/2021 20:06

So Keir Starmer chooses the one shining light in the labour party. A single mother at sixteen, the most inspiring story to come out of the Labour party. Anyone that has listened to Angela about her struggles to obtain a degree and to better herself. Starmer chooses her as the whipping girl for his failures and has sacked her as co-ordinator. He can't remove her as deputy, but how much longer is that position tenable?
I am genuinely shocked and horrified. The failures of the labour party on are on HIM. He should be resigning.

Absolutely livid. What has the Labour party come to.

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CHILLLADIES · 08/05/2021 23:53

@PermanentTemporary

Im glad getting pregnant at 16 hasn't stopped someone having a political career, and I'm sort of glad having shagged everyone in London and fathering X children hasn't stopped Johnson having a political career. But these things aren't assets or positives in themselves.
Well, exactly.
Chipitacross · 08/05/2021 23:57

@sst1234

Wonder what Labour HQ make up of it if they see a thread like this. Or memo Erin for that matter. Does it teach them anything about how the public feels about these abysmal characters they keep putting in charge. Probably not.
Nope, because we're just the stupid electorate who are so obviously wrong.
Mintjulia · 09/05/2021 00:01

It was a very poor campaign and Labour has lost a lot of ground. It doesn't matter who she is, if she can't do a good job, she needs to move aside and let someone more skilled at campaign management take over.

Andante57 · 09/05/2021 00:09

Why oh why are we so obsessed with peoples backgrounds when we promote folk to the frontbenchers of Labour?

As a feminist who hates class I am so happy to see Angela Rayner where she is.

Ginuwine I don’t understand what you mean by ‘as a feminist who hates class’
Do you mean you hate upper class people or you hate the fact posters comment on politicians’ class?

Marilla27 · 09/05/2021 00:12

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FaceyRomford · 09/05/2021 00:15

From what I have read of Labour's campaign in Hartlepool, I'm amazed she lasted as long as she did after the result was declared.

Thewiseoneincognito · 09/05/2021 00:19

Good riddance she was a horror, although just one of a gazillion issues the Lab party has to overcome before they’re even remotely votable

SofiaMichelle · 09/05/2021 00:33

@LizzieSiddal

As a northerner, I find her an embarrassment. She can hardly string a sentence together and comes across as always pissed off. Not a great way to attract voters.
She truly is an embarrassment and in no way represents me as a working class northerner.

Good riddance to her (though unfortunately she can't be ousted as deputy leader due to Momemtum support).

It's bloody embarrassing for Labour that she was ever given such senior roles.

RolloTomassi · 09/05/2021 00:43

Oh come on. Rayner would be doing well to get a management position in a small company. An insult to the intelligence of the average labour voter to put her in such a senior role.

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RoseBearx · 09/05/2021 01:34

Starmer is so objectively bad that I think he’s a Tory infiltrator who managed to climb the ranks.

RoseBearx · 09/05/2021 01:42

I think another issue with Labour is that all of their so-called ‘Northern Spokespeople’ seem to be concentrated in Manchester, and lesser so Liverpool. The North East can fuck off as far as anybody is concerned. No wonder they lost Hartlepool.

sHREDDIES19 · 09/05/2021 07:50

I cannot stand her, regardless of her admirable back story. Total liability.

SimonJT · 09/05/2021 07:56

She calls people scum, she bullied Mortimer and she failed to do her actual job.

Should someone who chooses to the above not face consequences?

Sunflowergirl1 · 09/05/2021 08:05

She got removed from the Party chair job as it meant she was supposed to plan the campaign strategy and run it. It was apparent several months ago that she just didn't have a clue and was totally out of her depth. As a result, they put others in the support but the damage was done.

I don't even think she is very nice.....shouting Tory scum in Parliament isn't great but the reality is that doing that job, she was out of her intellectual depth and when someone is like that, it is painful to watch.

So whilst she has been a single mum and struggled with education..she has done well to become an MP but that doesn't mean she has the means to perform effectively in a demanding role. I can't ever imagine her being an opposition spokesperson as I'm afraid she isn't bright enough. That is painfully obvious when you stand her alongside someone like Rachel Reeves who is a former Bank of England economist and has the intellectual capability and capacity to take on government ministers. All Angela can do is spout expletives and unfortunately epitomises a lot of what is wrong with the Labour Party

Unfortunately, the way she comes over when interviewed is also very poor.

Keir Starmer would never sort this mess out in one year. The rot has gone far too deep. And he is still surrounded by a lot of extremist Corbynytes who many people fear would immediately come out of the woodwork and Impose their Marxist agenda if Labour were ever elected again. The reality is though that Labour just doesn't relate to what was its core voting base and they correctly perceive that they are sneered at by them (Emily Thornberry walking around a council estate and sneering at the St George flag for eg)

What is awful is that our democracy depends on there being a strong opposition scrutinising and holding the government to account. That just isn't happening as the quality of a fair few in the opposition front bench team is very mediocre. As a result, the government gets away with everything. Incredible some of the cock ups and they are just never held to account.

Unfortunately for Starmer, despite Boris being an Etonian, he comes over more working class and Starmer more the Etonian!!

Youarecountingonme · 09/05/2021 08:05

The point of Angela Rayner seems to have been missed, she was supposed to be the bridge between the hard left and the moderates, and by burning down the bridge yesterday Starmer is really still using Corbyn's legacy as an excuse for his own poor performance. Starmer is claiming he was given an empty husk of a party, but he has done nothing to change it.

I thought it was interesting that John McDonnell waded in yesterday blaming Starmer and was upset at the decision to remove Angela Rayner 'Keir Starmer said yesterday that he took full responsibility for the election result in Hartlepool and other losses.
“Instead today he’s scapegoating everyone apart from himself.
“This isn’t leadership, it’s a cowardly avoidance of responsibility.”

You may find Angela Rayner incompetent and aggressive, but for many working class girls with poor education and limited options, she is a beacon of light and at least an example that is possible to make it in the world of politics. Even from a difficult start. The fact that she is not refined and polished gives her more credence not less.

The optics on sacking her and I believe Dodds is coming next is doing nothing to inspire me with any kind of confidence that Starmer is going to take responsibility for this, he seems to be gunning for the women in his party from the outside. In what way is he taking this on the chin? All I can see is plenty of sackings and shuffles. I give him six months or less before he is removed or resigns.

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Youarecountingonme · 09/05/2021 08:09

If Starmer was/is hoping to avoid an all out civil war in the Labour party then he is doing a very poor job of it. Sacking Rayner was the equivalent of a lit petrol bomb being thrown in the other camp. This will not end well for him or the Labour Party.

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RaspberryCoulis · 09/05/2021 08:10

As others have said, holding Angela Rayner up as the "shining light" in the Labour party is a clear indication of just where things have gone wrong.

Sunflowergirl1 · 09/05/2021 08:10

@Youarecountingonme

I think the Labour Party need an all out civil war to bring this to a head. The great British public do not want extreme left wing governments...especially the working class but some in the Labour Party like talking to themselves more than their voting base

Raphaellas · 09/05/2021 08:14

As a northerner what annoyed me about Angela Rayner was her conviction that her “tough life” somehow excused her lack of intellect or ability to do the job. She constantly tried to hide her basic illiteracy claiming it was simply her accent - what an insult to millions of educated northern people who can actually string a sentence together or pronounce the letter “t” mid word.

tttigress · 09/05/2021 08:19

Although I think Rayner is totally out of her depth, I think there is another big trend that is killing Labour.

The Green party did very well in these elections, I think a lot of their voters switched from Labour. This has been a trend that has done really damage in Germany to their equivalent of Labour (SPD).

With the Brexit and UKIP parties fading away, and the left vote split between Labour, LibDems and Greens, it could get even harder for Starmer.

Youarecountingonme · 09/05/2021 08:20

You could be right sunflower
Some people will never ever truly understand their own privilege raphaellas nor have you even the merest idea of how difficult it is to overcome years and years of piss poor teaching, lack of support, guidance or help. The fact you choose to call her illiterate says more about you than it does about her.

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YorkiePanda · 09/05/2021 08:26

It’s not her education I have an issue with. Calling people scum doesn’t win votes. It makes you look like you have no policies or ideas other than insulting others. I’m no Tory, but the behaviour by Labour was arrogant - assuming they could rely on working class support because history and class. They haven’t learned.

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2021 08:30

@RoseBearx

I think another issue with Labour is that all of their so-called ‘Northern Spokespeople’ seem to be concentrated in Manchester, and lesser so Liverpool. The North East can fuck off as far as anybody is concerned. No wonder they lost Hartlepool.
Actually the issue is that politics is split along the lines of metropolitan areas with large student populations and young people and provincial towns and more rural areas. So when Labour put up a northern representative from Manchester (or even Liverpool) they are missing that point.

Its not surprising a Labour representative from any metropolitan area running an election campaign in Hartlepool has completely missed the point for that reason. Just because both are north of Watford doesn't mean they are culturally the same. Hartlepool is the epitome of the Northern Provincial Town whereas Manchester whilst its Northern is still a Metropolitan area.

People tend to paint it as ignorance driven. Its not that simple. For example if you want to get the bus anywhere around HHartlepool or out of Hartlepool I'm willing to bet you will find it a lot harder than if you live in Ashton-under-Lyne. This means your opportunities in life and in work differ. If you have the means to, then leaving tends to be your only choice in life. If you don't have the means or you are somehow unable to move due to family commitments etc, you are stuffed.

Lo and behold Johnson this morning has announced he is going to try and stop the braindrain to cities. It pains me to admit that the Conservatives are far more on the ball than Labour on this. It is the fundamental divide in our country at the moment. Places like Hartlepool were the bread and butter of Labour. It was Peter Mandelsons constituency I believe. It isn't a coincidence that Labour were in power during his tenure.

Instead the move to educating so many young people at University level has created this problem. I think education is good and that we should be getting as much education as possible. However the problem lies when its the be all and end all and there isn't an alternative path of education to opportunity for all. A non university education just isn't valued. You have a ceiling to opportunity unless you get one. Often even if you are exceptional in your field. You won't even get an interview because your CV doesn't tick the right boxes.

So there's the irony of Angela Rayner. Yes she got pregnant at 16. However she was able to get a degree which would have been helped because of where she grew up and lived. It was possible for her to do that despite having a baby. Would it be the same for a woman living in Hartlepool? I strongly question whether Stockport has the same structural issues as Hartlepool. Even with the trade unions. Rayner got lucky and remains the exception rather than the rule. Why? is the big question that no one recognises and Rayner herself doesn't seem to realise. She is held up as the example thats amazing and should be encouraged without much thought as to why her trailblazing isn't replicated across the country.

Once upon a time Labour looked at economically based structurial problems. They became well off and more middle class and forgot this. Instead they've decided to look at identity alone without the thought process of structurial issues. It works to an extent with race, but in the words of former Equality and Human Rights Commission Chair Trevor Phillips (a black man) this approach has often missed that its leading to opportunities for middle class ethnic groups (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) but this isn't affecting the White Middle Class. Instead these new opportunities are often at the expense of poor white working class, especially boys.

Far from improving social mobility we have become blind to where some problems exist because we have priortised certain groups and actively told other disadvantaged groups to shut up and stop being bigotted. If you lack an education you are often not as articulate at phrasing an issue but it does not mean there isn't a point and problem that should be being recognised. The same pattern is true with the transwomen thing. There is prejudice but you don't solve social issues by deciding that one group is worthy of being listened to and recognised at the expense of another group who lacks opportunity/adequate representation.

Labour has fallen into the trap of the hierarchy of identity rather than opening opportunities for all to achieve what they are capable of on merit. Its lost track of what barriers actually are in focusing only on identity.

Its sad and frustrating and a million miles from Labour ideals. It frustrating because its framed as these former Labour heartlands moving away from Labour rather than Labour forgetting the principles that underpinned its ideals. Instead it presents itself as being equal opportunities without understanding what enables social mobility and breaks down barriers.

People in areas where there's 'stuff' going on - be it jobs, transport, good networking, access to education - don't get places where this doesn't exist.

Johnson just nailed it this morning. Labour are once again caught with their dicks hanging out in the wind with wide eyed shock. They aren't leading the charge on this because they don't even see what the problem is. That pisses me off enormously because I don't like Johnson nor Conservative ideals but I am being forced to admit that he's got this right.

Meanwhile Labour are on social media whinging and trying to ban everyone for not agreeing with them. They need to get their heads out of the sand.

cansu · 09/05/2021 08:30

Labour have many much better women than Angela R. Lisa Nandy and Annalise Dodds always come across very well in interviews.

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