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Has anyone changed their behaviour as a neighbour based on reading about twatty neighbours on AIBU

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Mooloolabababy · 07/05/2021 18:04

So, not really a TAAT, but I'm noticing a lot of threads on twatty neighbour behaviour. The general consensus is the same as to what usually constitutes acceptable and unacceptable behaviour (music on all day, music outdoors, yappy dogs is always a no no) so much so that it makes me wonder in what world do these neighbours think that their behaviour is acceptable? It also got me thinking, has anyone changed their behaviour (that they initially thought was acceptable) based on reading what is unacceptable on Mumsnet?
So AIBU in thinking that not all shitty neighbours stay shitty neighbours and if they see that the general consensus is against them they will change?

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mumieone · 08/05/2021 07:54

@ YuXV yup the trampoline against neighbours fence means when the kids are jumping up and down screaming your neighbour would get the full on noise of it in their own garden or maybe in their house too. Not very relaxing for anyone tbh kids or no kids.

Vursayles · 08/05/2021 08:05

Yes, I don’t allow the toddler to unreasonably screech/scream/shout in the garden so that our neighbours can enjoy their summers too. Just a little bit of consideration makes all the difference.

LaBellina · 08/05/2021 08:07

Nope but because I have had neighbors from hell in the past, I really appreciate the lovely ones I have now and make sure to not cause any nuisance to them, have a chat now and then and pre Covid bring them a small souvenir if I had been on holiday.

Fairyliz · 08/05/2021 10:10

It always makes me laugh when people post a problem on MN about a family member/colleague/neighbour etc and loads of posters say just talk to them.
It never works! Twatty people don’t care about upsetting/annoying other people as long as they are ok.

Itwasjustresting · 08/05/2021 10:16

@YuXV

We have a small garden and a trampoline so I'm afraid the only place it can go without taking up the entire garden is up against a fence. . . . I worry about it after reading on here that people hate this, but we've recently moved bringing this with up from a bigger house, and we can't prioritise the money or time yet to landscape the garden when there are other more urgent works needed indoors (new boiler, fix leaking shower). The kids love it and as there isn't space to run around or kick a football I want to keep it as it's the only thing they can get exercise on out there.

But it's on the list for next year when we've saved up a bit and I feel constantly anxious it will be a bad start to the relationship with our lovely elderly neighbours. DH thinks I'm crazy as he's never heard of such an issue in real life!

Have you spoken with them at all? My neighbour’s kids love their trampoline, which is at the end of the garden near the fence. Shortly after I moved in I bumped into the mum, we did that semi-ritual thing where she apologised for the noise and I said I hardly heard anything and anyway it’s nice to hear kids playing. Which is mostly true Grin. Hopefully your neighbours would say the same.
littlepattilou · 08/05/2021 10:43

@Fairyliz

It always makes me laugh when people post a problem on MN about a family member/colleague/neighbour etc and loads of posters say just talk to them. It never works! Twatty people don’t care about upsetting/annoying other people as long as they are ok.
Agree with this 100%.

It rarely works, talking to someone about their behaviour, because most of the time, they either can't see they are doing wrong, or they don't care.

Some 22 or so years ago, (when we lived in a small 2 bed semi-detached house in a little cul de sac of 16 houses,) we talked quietly and politely to the neighbour who was joined on to us (a couple in their late 40s, who had recently moved in.) We spoke to them about their loud music, and the fact they were leaving it on for 4 or 5 hours while they went to the pub (to deter burglars!) Hmm They did this between 7 and 11pm 2 or 3 evenings a week!

We asked them if they could turn the volume down, as our toddler couldn't sleep. She said (indignantly) 'well we were robbed in our last house, so were HAVE to keep the music on when we're out.' HE said 'we will try to keep it down then!'

The music went down, and then a week later it came up again! Not only when they were out at the pub, but really loud music at 11pm, when they came back. Thudding and thumping through the walls til 1 a.m!

We asked again (the next day) if they could stop playing it so loud, as we have a toddler and a man who does shift work, and we can hear the thudding music all through the house! HE answered the door, sighed, and said 'ok then......' then rolled his eyes.

The FOLLOWING week, the music came thumping through the walls on a Wednesday night at midnight! It was quiet til then, and then the music came through the walls. Me and DH went next door and knocked, (at half past midnight!) and they refused to answer. So we sat up with our toddler until 2a.m. when the noise stopped, and went around to them the next morning.

HE answered the door, and sighed, and rolled his eyes, and said 'we really should be entitled to do what we want in our OWN HOME.' Hmm DH said, 'well you can't. Not when you are joined on by a party wall, to a neighbour. You CAN'T play loud thudding music until 1 or 2 a.m. I am not saying that, the LAW says that!'

Then we heard HER shout from the back 'tell those nosey cunts we will do what we want in our OWN CUNTING HOUSE!'

Nice. Shock

HE slammed the door in our face.

Next time it happened, we called the police. THEY asked them to turn it down. And KEEP it down.

They did. But the evil looks they gave us after this, could have turned the sea to stone. They were purposely loud and lairy in the garden during the next 2-3 months after this, and had some 10-12 people around at least twice a week, and kept making loud comments about their cunty neighbours, and making sure rubbish/beercans and all sorts, came over our fence.

It became so unpleasant, that we put our house on the market and moved. We were gone nine months after the first confrontation.

Hilariously, we heard from an old neighbour in the cul de sac, that the people who bought our house - a 30-something biker couple - had up to 20 people around once or twice a week, having parties in the house (and garden.)

Apparently, the old (horrible) neighbours of ours had had a few nasty rows with this couple, and 10 months after we moved, the horrible couple who were next door moved out. You reap what you sow!

Cheeseandlobster · 08/05/2021 10:48

@mumieone

Educated people are considered or those with good jobs. Low income, renters, council don't give two hoots how they affect others. They are suffering so to speak and so should you. Bit extreme explanation but you know what I mean.

Eg. I have dated men without uni education who just feel uni educated men earning a penny more are abnoxious entitled people (such an unrelatable point of view ...or people in the top 1% like Bill Gates need to just throw ALL Thier money to the poor as they feel the balance is too much). Basically jealousy people!!

What a ridiculous comment. I grew up in a very wealthy road. One of the neighbours often had loud parties til 5am. I was on housing benefit shock horror when I graduated. Single mum, low income. My letting agency told me when I left that I was one of the best tenants they had ever had - clean, quet, rent always paid on time (including after I got a job not just housing benefit)

Its a ridiculous sweeping statement and completely untrue

littlepattilou · 08/05/2021 10:58

@Cheeseandlobster Agree.

@mumieone what a stupid, classist, ignorant comment. Suggesting only lower class (and badly educated) people are nuisance neighbours. Hmm

Uni educated people AND people without a GCSE to their name can be equally abusive and noisy.

Heleavesreviews · 08/05/2021 11:05

“It rarely works, talking to someone about their behaviour, because most of the time, they either can't see they are doing wrong, or they don't care.”

I think it’s more that as soon as the conversation starts people feel judged and react accordingly. The most usual thing is that complainant thinks they are asking politely but person addressed feels accused. And so it goes.

Tuesdaysintheazores · 08/05/2021 11:05

I agree with pp that the noisy people either don't think it's them, don't care, or come on here saying things like 'I'm glad I don't live next door to you' 'you're no fun' 'can't so much as breathe outdoors these days' and things like that, making out those who don't want to listen to their shit music for hours on end are the ones with the problem.

BooblePlate · 08/05/2021 11:23

@Vursayles

Yes, I don’t allow the toddler to unreasonably screech/scream/shout in the garden so that our neighbours can enjoy their summers too. Just a little bit of consideration makes all the difference.
Yes but did you need MN to know this was antisocial? I like to think I didn’t, but I was on here long before I had children so was well educated on the subject
JammyGem · 08/05/2021 11:31

@mumieone

Educated people are considered or those with good jobs. Low income, renters, council don't give two hoots how they affect others. They are suffering so to speak and so should you. Bit extreme explanation but you know what I mean.

Eg. I have dated men without uni education who just feel uni educated men earning a penny more are abnoxious entitled people (such an unrelatable point of view ...or people in the top 1% like Bill Gates need to just throw ALL Thier money to the poor as they feel the balance is too much). Basically jealousy people!!

Wow, so renters don't care about their neighbours? Nice generalisation there! We both have professional jobs (civil service and management) but do not earn enough to buy a house, so we rent. But apparently we must be terrible neighbours because of our jealousy... Hmm

MN threads have made me more aware of the "no no"s, particularly regarding children. We don't allow DD to stay in the garden for longer than an hour at a time and try to stop her shouting or being loud, mainly because of all the threads about kids in gardens annoying their neighbours.

JammyGem · 08/05/2021 11:33

I should say, where I grew up (muddle class naice neighbourhood) it was perfectly normal and acceptable to hear kids playing loudly outside in the gardens or streets, so before seeing the complaints on MN it never occurred to me that DD would annoy others by playing in the garden.

Abracadabra12345 · 08/05/2021 11:44

@littlepattilou

I love it! I am truly sorry that you were driven out of your own home but glad that your horrible neighbours got a taste of their own medicine (although sorry for the remaining neighbours)

littlepattilou · 08/05/2021 11:50

[quote Abracadabra12345]@littlepattilou

I love it! I am truly sorry that you were driven out of your own home but glad that your horrible neighbours got a taste of their own medicine (although sorry for the remaining neighbours)[/quote]
😘

littlepattilou · 08/05/2021 11:52

[quote Abracadabra12345]@littlepattilou

I love it! I am truly sorry that you were driven out of your own home but glad that your horrible neighbours got a taste of their own medicine (although sorry for the remaining neighbours)[/quote]
Yeah I wondered about the new neighbours who bought the old (horrible) neighbours house too!

Never saw anyone from there again.....

MooseBreath · 08/05/2021 11:57

If I'm having people over in the garden, we're very likely having a barbeque and playing music (at a reasonable volume). It's not an everyday occurrence. I genuinely don't see the issue with this, though I'm sure some tight-arsed people will tell me I'm rude to enjoy my own outdoor space how I see fit. As my DS gets older, he will also use the garden to play, and he gasp may even laugh, jump on a trampoline, and kick footballs!

Wafflewombat · 08/05/2021 12:00

I have a bit. There was a thread about untidy gardens and house values, so I got a skip in and sorted out our (wildlife rich) hedges and other stuff that looked untidy.

I only wish the neighbour would return the favour and get rid of that bloody windchime, as we're out in our garden a lot and it's like a horror movie soundtrack. Also seem to be in the smoke plume of a neighbour who's taken up recreational fire raising.

Re snotty comments about renters, I've been a landlord for 20 years and often the houses are kept to a far higher standard than I keep my own. Just taken one back as the tenant, who'd lived there for many years, has had enough of the people next door and it's immaculate. I wish my house smelt half as nice!

StCharlotte · 08/05/2021 12:26

No but I did ask my neighbours if they minded us smoking outside our back door. They said it's fine. I luffs my neighbours (apart from the wankers two door down).

TheQueef · 08/05/2021 12:30

@Wafflewombat
I am guilty of (former) chimes and two tinkly water features.
Odd thing is the tinkly water made ME want to wee, NVM next door yet I still needed a thread to enlighten me Grin
Blush

Badgerlock42 · 08/05/2021 12:56

@mumieone

Educated people are considered or those with good jobs. Low income, renters, council don't give two hoots how they affect others. They are suffering so to speak and so should you. Bit extreme explanation but you know what I mean.

Eg. I have dated men without uni education who just feel uni educated men earning a penny more are abnoxious entitled people (such an unrelatable point of view ...or people in the top 1% like Bill Gates need to just throw ALL Thier money to the poor as they feel the balance is too much). Basically jealousy people!!

You are SO right! What a relief to find your voice in this wilderness of declasse posters.

When I used to rent a council flat, I was a right oafish bastard, & went out of my way to ensure my suffering (thanks for noticing it, very noblesse oblige of you) was spread to every neighbour within earshot.

Miraculously, I dragged myself up in the world by dint of robbery & crass social climbing, & now own my private gaff outright. I won't be throwing my money to the poor, but my neighbours all adore me, because I am now The Right Sort. Changing my name by deed poll helped.

Keep staying away from those non-uni educated men, @mumieone.
They just bring down the tone, & rough chavviness is sexually transmitted.
You know what I mean. Get it checked out - maybe in a private clinic, you don't want any working class neighbours finding out what you have been up to.

Sincerely yours
Hyacinth

Febo24 · 08/05/2021 13:18

I do think twice about the volume of my radio on a weekend morning after a thread on here. It's not consistent, it's not terrible, super early or super loud. But was probably enough to punctuate your tranquil first coffee of the day and not necessary. Unless a really really good song comes on and I want to dance. Around lunch I see as fair game if I want sound in the garden.

TheVanguardSix · 08/05/2021 13:26

No. Not really. I think lockdown was an eye opener itself (regarding relationships with neighbours) and the threads on MN were a reflection of this.
It takes a lot to get to me. Barbecues, trampolines, etc really don't bother me in the least. If your kids are in the garden, shouting at the top of their lungs for 12 hours straight (like the first lockdown when our neighbour turned his garden into Alton Towers), then I'll take issue with this. This guy was mental though. He threatened to get into a fistfight with a neighbour who asked him to quiet his kids down a bit (very reasonable... the noise level was insane. I have 3 kids and even for me it was too much). The guy threatened to punch the other guy up in front of my kids and a bunch of onlookers. It was pretty awful. My kids are now terrified of the guy and I haven't dared speak to this neighbour since. If you're going to start getting all fistycuffs and hostile about shit, I don't want to know you.

sofato5miles · 08/05/2021 13:27

My mum used to moan about the neighbour's kids playing in the garden. I told her that i thought she was being miserable.. Weirdly now 20 years later she moved, to a house with a tiny garden that shares a fence with a primary school. She says she loves hearing the children.

Always been a fickle, difficult woman tbh.

TheVanguardSix · 08/05/2021 13:29

As for changing my own behaviour (forgot to touch on this), no. We're a really quiet household anyway. We're pretty mellow and laid back. I'm from California originally. We roll mellow and easy. And here's the key to it all, DH and I are non-drinkers. Alcohol flow totally influences how loud neighbours get.

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