AIBU To think that the vast majority of the 5% of top earners in the UK don't really post on MN

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Top 5% of earners in the the UK earn 70k or more, but it seems that every 3rd poster on here earns way above that and beyond.

Teachers in their late 20s on 50-60k? Pounds? In the UK? Surely not?

There's not just teachers, they're MN teachers.

I agree with you Barbara. Whilst some teachers will earn those salaries, it's certainly not common for people in the early years of their career.

Like you I think most teachers in their 20s will be between £25-35k and then in their 30s it will vary from £30-45k, depending on the size of school, what TLR they hold, or whether they're on the leadership spine.

'UPS3 in inner London is just under 51k. A 50% TRL could be 5k plus a S26 of 2.5k'.

😂 is this the line of duty thread?

[quote rarzy]@BarbaraofSeville yep, always get told I'm lying on here though. I used to work in a school & my brother is a teacher

www.nasuwt.org.uk/advice/pay-pensions/pay-scales/pay-scales-fringe-outer-london-and-inner-london.html[/quote]
Well I'm a recently retired teacher and unless you're taking about phenomenally ambitious and talented fast tracked 30 year olds in a large school in inner London (they might need a SN allowance on top of that, or be at an academy that ignores the normal progression) you really are talking bollocks to think they'd be even close to £60k. Just because thrashing scales have a high maximum doesn't mean than more than a handful reach those lofty heights. When I retired, on the top of a class teachers scale, with.SN allowances on top, I was on £42k, and thought that was pretty good for a teacher

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Teachers in their late 20s on 50-60k? Pounds? In the UK? Surely not?

There's not just teachers, they're MN teachers.

Oh, I like my thrashing scales! Much more interesting than teaching scales.

See none ever believes me. I worked in payroll for huge inner London academies. A teacher on M6 will be on 42k & quite easily be in their late 20s & could also be on UPS1 which is 47k plus TLRs. Plus inner London includes some areas of Z3.

@saraclara where did you work, inner London?

Sara can you remember the DfE advert that went out a few years ago suggesting that a normal classroom teacher would be drawing £65, but when someone looked into it the salary that was only achieved by 0.1% of the workforce.

To get the £65k quoted in the advert, you needed to be a lead practitioner in inner London.

[quote rarzy]@LolaSmiles UPS3 in inner London is just under 51k. A 50% TRL could be 5k plus a S26 of 2.5k.

I did specifically say teachers in London with a TRL because there is often a narrative that teachers earn peanuts. My brother is a deputy head on 85k & yes he also can take time off to see his child's nativity. [/quote]
I bet the deputy head of his presumably huge school can sneak out to see his kids nativity.
The standard class teacher on the other hand...

I never said every teacher earned that, what I did say is that I knew of plenty in inner London on that with the addition of a TRL.

See none ever believes me
It's not a case of not believing.

The pay scales show what is possible.
It doesn't mean it's common for people in their 20a and 30s to get those sorts of salaries, unless there's endless HoD/HoY/SLT appointments.

You obviously just didn't work hard enough @saraclara

@rarzy why does every salary conversation have to revolve around London? London is an anomaly, and the vast majority of teachers work outside it.

I bet the deputy head of his presumably huge school can sneak out to see his kids nativity.
The standard class teacher on the other hand...

See! why peddle this narrative when it's hugely dependent on the school & the head/principal & no offence if you're retired how can you speak for all schools?

Yes every class teacher at the school is allowed time off for medical appointments, nativity/sports day not just SLT & shock horror they also get paid a good hourly rate when they do Easter or Saturday revision/catch up classes.

As the majority of that 5% are men I doubt they’ve even heard of MN.

saraclara
Because it suits the 'but loads of teachers earn high salaries' arguments.

Meanwhile in typical English primary school there's teachers coordinating subjects without TLRs from their first couple of years, and most teachers aren't earning UPS3+a top TLR1 payment.

@saraclara because the point I replied to (see below) was in reference to London!

And of course that's completely overlooking the number of people living in London working for minimum wage or doing 'normal' jobs like teaching or nursing.

@LolaSmiles no I was replying to a specific point about London, my comment was not about the average teacher in an average part of the country.

rarzy
But that poster was talking about:
Group 1: People on minimum wage
OR
group 2: people doing normal jobs such as teaching and nursing

Most teachers in London will be on the normal teacher pay scale with a London weighting, not pulling in £60k, or £85k.

That poster's point still stands.

Do you think all the houses that sell for millions in London are empty?

Did you know that there are only about 500,000 £1 million properties in the whole of the UK? Many of which were bought for considerably less.

person A: but what about teachers in London.
person B: in London teachers can earn X
person C: why are you talking about London

🤔

But the poster was contrasting the high salaries with people in normal types of roles.

Your typical teacher in London isn't sitting on UPS3 with a TLR, nor are they a deputy head.

Your typical teacher is on the standard payscale, and that is still true in London. Using a handful of people in leadership posts doesn't negate the fact most will be on MPS/UPS.

@LolaSmiles what point still stands?

Using a handful of people in leadership posts doesn't negate the fact most will be on MPS/UPS.

But the inner London MPS/UPS are not very low paid, that's my point. If someone is in leadership they will be on L scale, I didn't reference those scales. You can have a TRL for HOD without being on a leadership scale.

Top 5% of earners in the the UK earn 70k or more

You need to break down that figure. If two adults in the household are earning that and above, It seems high. If one member in a household of four earns that and the other adult earns very little or anything at all, that household is not high earning.

I do. I have a cleaner, a dog Walker and someone does all my school runs. I have a single kid who is 10. My car is normal, my house is normal, I have some savings but lots of debts following my divorce. We holiday in the UK, no private schools. I took 10 months maternity leave. I have a niche job and my earnings were half what they are now only 6 years ago. To earn my salary you need 20+ years of specific related experience. I’m very lucky but I’d earn more in banking or as a lawyer!