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To struggle so, so much with keeping this house clean.

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user1488481370 · 03/05/2021 17:22

Me and OH, 4 DC’s ranging from 5 months to 11 years.
OH doesn’t do much around the house. He will wash up the odd night and take rubbish out when promoted. He does work long hours but should definitely do more. Eldest DD’s will do things when nagged (which a lot of the time is more exhausting to me than just doing the job myself)

We have an insane amount of laundry and I am sick to death of washing plates, cups, bottles, pans several times a day. We’re in a small 2 bed which doesn’t help matters at all but I just can’t seem to keep on top of anything. I never stop, even now I’m feeding the baby and dictating this to my phone!

There’s clutter everywhere, toys every where. I start one job and the baby cries of the toddler flings herself off something. I then put her in her playpen and she screeches so loudly that she wakes the baby. I just never seem to get anything done ever.

I’ve never felt so unsupported, anxious, pushed aside, judged and shat on as I have being a SAHM.

My friends seem to be able to keep on top of this stuff, I just feel like a failure and feel like I spend all of my time cleaning/doing chores. I wish we could go for a walk or do some painting, play board games without having to worry about the fact that the house is a tot shit hole. I’m currently doing the TOMM but it doesn’t seem to help really. It’s undone as soon as I’ve done it. I get so anxious and mad about things getting undone and I’m so angry and resentful that no one else puts the effort in that I do. I’m sat looking around at my living room and there’s the half washed down high chair from dinner time that I had to abandon because the baby pooped up her back. There’s food on the floor, baby bath still out, shitty clothes at the bottom of the stairs.

Is this normal?? I just feel like I’m failing at life.

OP posts:
NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 03/05/2021 19:28

Also get the cheapest crappest cheapest towel you own and spread under the high chair for every meal. Bung towel straight in machine after meal.

Onairjunkie · 03/05/2021 19:32

How do you fit two adults and four kids in a two bed house?! That sounds so cramped. No wonder you’re stressed.

SnarkyBag · 03/05/2021 19:32

6 people in a 2 bedroom home is always going to be a constant struggle especially if others don’t pull their weight.

Realistically you probably have too much stuff and nowhere to put it. If you can all accept having much much less in terms of possessions then a ruthless cull of everything you own will help. Less stuff = less tidying up

user1490814754 · 03/05/2021 19:36

I feel your pain but 4 kids in a two bed is another level of overwhelm. I have adhd. Do you relate to any traits by any chance.

Jangle33 · 03/05/2021 19:37

Yes the honest answer is choosing to have 4 young kids in a small house with an OH who doesn’t pull his weight (even one who did) is almost impossible to keep clean. I am not entirely sure how anyone could think it could possibly be any different...

OverTheRainbow88 · 03/05/2021 19:41

You need to sort out your housing, 6 people in 2 bedrooms is overcrowded and unhealthy.

Where do all the kids sleep?

FelicityPike · 03/05/2021 19:43

I was going to suggest TOMM, but you’re already giving it a go.
You definitely need a good chat with your OH.

Embracelife · 03/05/2021 19:46

Get a,dishwasher to start. Dh znd 11 yr old can empty and fill it.

notanothertakeaway · 03/05/2021 19:49

Could you pay a teenager to babysit children while you get some chores done?

And ruthless decluttering may help

Realistically, 6 people living in a 2 bed house, I think it will be difficult to keep on top of things, but it may become easier as children get older and more independent

LolaSmiles · 03/05/2021 19:52

Your DH should be doing more, then the next question is how much stuff do you have?

More stuff means more toys that can be got out, more clothes that can be worn, which leads to more tidying and more laundry.

ViciousJackdaw · 03/05/2021 19:54

Some suggestions off the top of my head:

Contraception. The last thing you need is another DC right now. Remember that withdrawal is not effective.

Read riot act to DH.

Is there any way you can move somewhere bigger?

If no space/money for dishwasher, always keep the washing up bowl filled with soapy water. Just bung plates etc in there as soon as they are finished with. Wash up properly when full - it will be a lot easier.

Towel under high chair is a fab idea. Shower curtain/old sheet could work too.

Constant bucket of Biotex (or whatever your preferred detergent is) for shitty clothes.

Do you have any outside space at all - even just a little yard? Can this be utilised in a better way?

georgarina · 03/05/2021 20:05

I know how you feel. I'm the same, been diagnosed with ME because I have chronic pain and tiredness, and kids can just make SO MUCH mess all the time that it's a full time job correcting the mess even before doing other maintenance jobs, cooking, etc.

It just feels never-ending and as soon as the jobs are done they start piling up again!

I think for me a lot of it is starting with good habits, cleaning up immediately, having a place for everything.

What's always on the floor? Have a designated spot for it. If there isn't one, buy a storage container.

Need more clothes storage? Get a dresser or hanging rail, or another hamper for dirty clothes that if necessary can sit at the bottom of the stairs so they're at least not in a pile on the floor and can be taken easily to the washing machine.

Voomster953 · 03/05/2021 20:06

Fucking hell, OP, I just read your other threads.

YOU HAVE TO MOVE HOUSE

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a3958493-To-get-cameras?msgid=98035677#98035677

CanofCant · 03/05/2021 20:12

Yeah, I've just flicked through a few of your other threads too. God OP, you are having a really rubbish time of it. I hope everything gets sorted and you can find a safer home soon.

stairgates · 03/05/2021 20:13

Yes this sounds normal :) We had 7 of us in a 2 bed, when we moved to the 3 bed with twice the space is was a massive relief! Any chance of a move?

When the baby is off your hip things get easier I find, so hopefully things will naturally improve in the next year or so. get a large drum washing machine so you can do double loads, a good dishwasher and tumble dryer, laundry bins in at least 2 places around the house and large toy dump areas. My house is the same atm but I dont stress over it, one day it will be empty and I can have clear worktops and fluffy co-ordinating towels just for me but I will miss the chaos of the kids.

CanofCant · 03/05/2021 20:14

I think starting a declutter if you can muster the energy will also make it easier to move when you are finally able. Sucks that your husband won't do his share. I appreciate he has a stressful and physical job but you have endured a lot too and could really do with his support.

Muststopeating · 03/05/2021 20:26

You are not failing! Some people may have very clean and tidy houses and others may only have clean and tidy houses because you're coming to visit. I fall in the latter category. I made a very conscious decision when I was pregnant with DC1 to lower my standards. I only have two kids (pregnant with number 3) and the only reason my house is every tidy and organised is because my DH is wonderman and I am lucky enough to have a cleaner come every 2 weeks. Right now it is a state!

I don't have advice for you except to say... cleaning a house with kids in it is like brushing your teeth while eating a packet of oreos!!! Fecking pointless!

Sunnysideup999 · 03/05/2021 20:29

It sounds overcrowded. If your DH can’t/won’t help - can you get someone to help with the clean g/laundry ?

SilenceOfThePrams · 03/05/2021 20:34

Take a look at Home Start www.home-start.org.uk/Pages/Category/things-we-can-help-with. They are awesome. Non judgemental, their volunteers will come over for a few hours at a time and just help. If you need to sit with the baby and cry, they’ll make a cup of tea and listen. They’ll help with toddlers and preschoolers and just generally shovel washing along or do whatever you need. It’s a life saver.

You can refer yourself, or you can call your health visitor and ask them to. It’s not about not being good enough; it’s about the fact that anyone, including Supernanny Jo Frost or even Mary Poppins would find 6 people in a 2 bed incredibly stressful and overwhelming, especially when one is a baby and the oldest is only just into double figures.

Of course you’re stressed, over stretched, exhausted. And of course the house is a mess.

You’re feeding the baby (or were when you wrote it, and probably will be again when you read the replies). Is there any way you can switch off from the mess and the chaos whilst you feed? Just closing your eyes and breathing for a little bit, trying to see this as a legitimate chance to take a rest, rather than willing your baby to feed faster so you cold get on with the next thing?

Then I wonder if there’s any way you can make some piece of your daily life a little easier for you? You mentioned washing pans multiple times a day. Do you need hot cooked meals more than once a day? Could you move the family to a cereal and yoghurt and toast breakfast, a sandwich or picky plate type meal and just one hot meal that everyone eats? Obviously not if that’s actually going to create more stress for you, but maybe it would help?

Do you think you might be anaemic or a bit low in something? Could you stretch the budget for some post natal multivitamin type things? Anyone in your situation would be exhausted, but just maybe there’s a deficiency making things even worse.

How old are your middle children? 2 yo probably not hugely helpful but 6 and 8 could be putting a baby bath back in the bathroom or pulling washing out of the machine and into the dryer if you have one. Or pulling dry clothes off the line ready for the next load, even if they can’t hang them up just yet. Again though, if getting them to do things is more stressful then don’t add stress - do what you need to do in order to survive. My sibs and I quite enjoyed a bit of healthy competition at that age though - too young to wash up heavy pots and pans maybe, but not too young to have one of them go at the high chair and one the table with a hot soapy cloth and see which one of them can get their thing shiny the fastest.

Summer is coming. Might not feel like it, but it really is! And as soon as it’s warmer, you can eat outside (if you have a garden or a balcony), and that will make a big difference to the amount of mess created.

I’m sitting here looking at the chips my child has ground into our rug. I’m not talking from an idyllic perfect palace at all. For me one too thing is to keep the washing machine empty as much as possible. if I can just get the laundry drying then the machine is gaping ready for the next load. And shitty baby grows can be tossed straight into it along with all grotty clothes. If I can set it going as I go to bed then I can empty it when I’m boiling the kettle in the morning (I’m single, but that’s a job anyone could do including long hours working OH). And then when the inevitable wet bedding is discovered in the morning that can go straight into the machine too.

If you’re really drowning in washing and you need a hard reset, can you scrape the money together for a service wash? £12 for an IKEA bag sized load here; take it to the launderette dirty and pick it up the next day clean and dry and folded. I know the laundry won’t stay done forever, but if you’re facing more loads than you could physically do in a day, could be worth considering. It resets it all anyway.

I don’t know if you have the budget, but if you do, then maybe give yourself a few days where your cooking is less than you do just now. For me that would mean a few days of giant family sized ready meals - lasagne, garlic bread and salad, fish pie and a bucket of peas, whatever the family will eat with minimal fuss but without you juggling pots and pans and babies. If the budget doesn’t run to it, can you cook enough one day to eat it the next too?

Can you pick out just one thing that would make things easier? Not big “have a bigger house” type things or “have more money” but “if everyone would just clear their own place and someone else would do the washing up” or “if I could just know that someone else would sort school uniforms” or whatever it might be? I assume that you and your OH rub along reasonably well together, or you wouldn’t have managed to grow babies together. So can you just quietly explain how utterly beyond exhausted you are, and how much it would help if he could just do that one thing, without needing to be reminded? At the moment it seems as though you are taking care of everybody, but no one is taking care of you.

Ugzbugz · 03/05/2021 20:35

To many people and stuff in a small property.have you got a dishwasher? That would save time. Declutter and be ruthless.can you afford a cleaner?

Thatisnotwhatisaid · 03/05/2021 20:49

Your house is too small, that’s the cut and dry of it. You’re unlikely to ever have a completely tidy home because there simply isn’t enough space for everyone. I have 5 DC so I can sympathise somewhat, the laundry will inevitably be endless for the next few years I’m afraid. Not hanging onto clutter (being totally ruthless sometimes with things) , decent storage and tidying as you go helps a lot. But ultimately you will always struggle because you don’t have enough room for everyone’s belongings.

Thatisnotwhatisaid · 03/05/2021 20:51

Some standard MN replies on here. Guessing OP can’t afford a cleaner or someone to help with the laundry, I don’t think anyone chooses to have 4 DC in a 2 bedroom house...

Mellonsprite · 03/05/2021 20:56

Is there any chance you can move? I think the space is the first problem, then DH not pulling his weight is the second problem.
In the meantime I second the PP’s who said a ruthless declutter will help.

Blueskydrink · 03/05/2021 20:56

I was you 9 years ago OP. Four kids under 8 in a 2 plus box room house. DP working long hours me on maternity leave. Few ideas that helped.

I was ruthless in refusing toys as gifts. My lovely friends and family gave us zoo vouchers, soft play tickets etc instead. Fab family time out of our tiny house. Less clutter.

A place for everything and easy for older kids to tidy up. Like "all duplo goes in the orange box". No TV until tidy done.

Clear simple expectations for young kids. Make your bed, dirty clothes in this bag, side your used plate and cup and ALWAYS flush the loo.

Drink and snack box set up for the day for kids to help themselves too. Just a water bottle and a box of raisins or babybel but saves the constant asking for drinks / snacks.

Never iron.

Nobody is allowed up or down the stairs without carrying something.

If you have a dishwasher fill it as you go. Michael MacIntyre explains why very well....

Anything broken or ripped gets binned straight away. Less clutter.

Once a week go around the whole house with a bin bag and fill it up there and then with any litter, unread post / magazines, tissues, empty boxes / bottles. Cathartic.

Batch cook when you can. I used to even bake 18 potatoes in one go. More than enough for six meals with a different topping especially when little.

Good luck! Mine are teens now and I almost miss those days.

Crazycatlady007 · 03/05/2021 21:00

The mess you are describing is pretty normal but tough all the same. It's like shovelling snow while it's still snowing. Lack of space is difficult too. If you need more support as a SAHM (really hard yet valuable job!) check out 'Mothers At Home Matter' online. They run support groups all over the country x