To think that a Rape Crisis centre should not have a transwoman CEO?

[ArabellaScott]

Mridhul Wadhwa has just been appointed CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis. The job was advertised as for women only. Mridhul is a transwoman (born male) without a Gender Recognition Certificate.

AIBU to think that women survivors of rape and sexual violence should be able to have a female only space?

theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/05/new-boss-for-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre/

Anyone involved in this work, and any HCP should always be putting the patient/service user first. It is about whatever helps the patient the most, I simply cannot fathom why anyone would want to cause more trauma to suffering patients if it is within their power to prevent it.

Yes, this, this, this.

I'm not sure if this part of the article linked to in the OP has been touched on. The organisation hold workshops in schools
ERCC also works in schools and with young people across Edinburgh and the Lothians to raise awareness of sexual violence and deliver prevention workshops.

Sex discrimination is wrong (and yes I have had a male midwife)

Safeguarding discriminates, it requires the recognition of adult males in order to protect girls and women in certain intimate/vulnerable circumstances. The Equality Act 2010 recognises the need for single sex exceptions.

Women & Equalities Committee
Oral evidence: Reform of the Gender Recognition
Act, HC 884
Wednesday 10 February 2021
committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/1693/default/

67 Naomi Cunningham QC : I would just like to finish this thought, if I may. The fact that all those exceptions are founded on biological sex means that although the legal formalities of justifying excluding an individual with a GRC from a women-only service or space may be slightly different, in practice the answer is likely to be the same in almost every situation, because in practice it makes no difference whether someone has a certificate or not. It doesn’t make a difference to whether it impinges on the dignity and privacy of women using that service, or overrides their consent.
For example, if I use a women-only changing room, my consent is to undress in the company of other women, and the reason why parliament has said that I am entitled to have the benefit of those exceptions is to do with biological sex. The fact that somebody has a gender recognition certificate doesn’t actually change that. It doesn’t mean that I feel more comfortable in the presence of somebody, in that particular situation, who I experience as male. A certificate doesn’t make a difference. I think that is quite important to understand, and how commonplace this is and how fundamentally it is based on consent. To override that is seriously concerning."

@Mistressinthetulips

I'm not sure if this part of the article linked to in the OP has been touched on. The organisation hold workshops in schools ERCC also works in schools and with young people across Edinburgh and the Lothians to raise awareness of sexual violence and deliver prevention workshops.

Given its failure to understand/apply the law and the disregard for Safeguarding and women's boundaries, parents/carers in Edinburgh and the Lothians should, in my opinion, question the appropriateness of this organisation teaching their children.

I can't believe this question is even being asked. SHE is a women.

For those hiding their ignorance behind a technicality - a lot of jobs advertise certain qualifications/qualities that the successful candidate doesn't have. Surely, having the best person for the job is most important, especially for such a vital organisation.

I sincerly hope that this opinion of the trans community fades out soon.

@Chev2021

I can't believe this question is even being asked. SHE is a women.

For those hiding their ignorance behind a technicality - a lot of jobs advertise certain qualifications/qualities that the successful candidate doesn't have. Surely, having the best person for the job is most important, especially for such a vital organisation.

I sincerly hope that this opinion of the trans community fades out soon.

'bangs head repeatedly on the table'

Have you actually read the thread to pick up the concerns that have been raised about this particular individual? It is incredibly dangerous to not question the appointment just because the person involved is trans.

@Chev2021

I can't believe this question is even being asked. SHE is a women.

For those hiding their ignorance behind a technicality - a lot of jobs advertise certain qualifications/qualities that the successful candidate doesn't have. Surely, having the best person for the job is most important, especially for such a vital organisation.

I sincerly hope that this opinion of the trans community fades out soon.

But if a service is supposed to be single sex, do you not care about the females who will be affected and miss out on something they desperately need? What is wrong with having single sex provisions for people who need them?

@Chev2021

I can't believe this question is even being asked. SHE is a women.

For those hiding their ignorance behind a technicality - a lot of jobs advertise certain qualifications/qualities that the successful candidate doesn't have. Surely, having the best person for the job is most important, especially for such a vital organisation.

I sincerly hope that this opinion of the trans community fades out soon.

The post of CEO for Edinburgh Rape Crisis was advertised, "for women only" under schedule 9 Part 1 of Equality Act 2010.

This is legislation which defines women as, "females of any age" which allows for sex based exceptions in particular roles and not subject to re-interpretation.

twitter.com/ScotsAHF/status/1389173229567324163

@AfternoonToffee Yes, I have. I just completely disagree.

I can't believe this question is even being asked. SHE is a women.

In what sense is this male person a woman?

For those hiding their ignorance behind a technicality - a lot of jobs advertise certain qualifications/qualities that the successful candidate doesn't have.

That's not how the genuine occupational requirements in the Equality Act, which exempted the organisation from including other males, work.

You don't think whether someone has a penis or not is at all relevant in how a rape victim might feel about being vulnerable in their presence?
If the job should have been open to anyone, that's a valid opinion to hold, but it wasn't open to anyone and men who might have been suitable did not have the opportunity to apply. As it was a reserved job for women.

@Chev2021

I can't believe this question is even being asked. SHE is a women.

For those hiding their ignorance behind a technicality - a lot of jobs advertise certain qualifications/qualities that the successful candidate doesn't have. Surely, having the best person for the job is most important, especially for such a vital organisation.

I sincerly hope that this opinion of the trans community fades out soon.

What makes MW a woman?

As for “a technicality” ERCC CHOSE to apply the Occupational Requirement provisions of the EA to the role. They are the ones who said it was a job for women only! They are the ones who have given the job to a male despite the fact they told male applicants not to apply!

There are lots of men who are more suitable for this job than MW.

[quote Chev2021]@AfternoonToffee Yes, I have. I just completely disagree.[/quote]
You don’t have to agree, you just have to abide by the law. The law says MW is not female therefore MW has no business applying for a position restricted to females and EERC have no business hiring them after invoking such an exception.

@Chev2021

I can't believe this question is even being asked. SHE is a women.

For those hiding their ignorance behind a technicality - a lot of jobs advertise certain qualifications/qualities that the successful candidate doesn't have. Surely, having the best person for the job is most important, especially for such a vital organisation.

I sincerly hope that this opinion of the trans community fades out soon.

This person obtained this job BY DECEPTION!!!

Does that really not give you pause for thought?

thecritic.co.uk/women-in-scotland-risk-having-their-rights-virtue-signalled-away/

Good analysis here. It's written before this latest development but very much applies.

Last Thursday, in six short words Johann Lamont MSP did her job and ensured that traumatised women in Scotland would not become props to support the gender identity of men. But that removing this most basic right, to be examined by someone of the same sex, was even raised as a possibility should set alarm bells ringing. The speed at which the ideology of gender has captured institutions and governments gives an indication as to the sex of those who benefit. As 2020 draws to a close, women are no longer pushing for equality, we are fighting for basic legal recognition as a sex and at serious risk of having our rights virtue-signalled away.

'a technicality '

Of being male, when the job stipulated it was for women-only? That's a technicality ... I suppose. In the sense that 'taking things without asking' is technically stealing.

Im all ears to discover how someone born a man is a women i.e. an adult human female

@Chev2021

I can't believe this question is even being asked. SHE is a women.

For those hiding their ignorance behind a technicality - a lot of jobs advertise certain qualifications/qualities that the successful candidate doesn't have. Surely, having the best person for the job is most important, especially for such a vital organisation.

I sincerly hope that this opinion of the trans community fades out soon.

At what point did they become a woman and how?

I'm guessing that since you didn't answer my question @Chev2021 that you don't actually care about women missing out on single sex services then.
Which is why I won't be contacting women's shelters any time soon, because I may enter a single sex shelter but as long as there are people arguing against single sex services, that may change once I'm in. And my child and I would be screwed with nowhere to go.

Does that really not give you pause for thought?

Presumably not, neither does the fact that MW left the SNP over the right for women to be examined by a natal female.

Presumably not, neither does the fact that MW left the SNP over the right for women to be examined by a natal female.

What a hill to die on.