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How come I have to work fulltime but ExH gets away with part time?

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AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:13

Just had a letter from CMS that my maintenance is going down again! For the 3rd year in a row (we’ve only been split 4 years!) I’ve worked out based on what he earns per hour and what he’s getting per year (CMS told me that much) that he works less than 20 hours a week! (Company he works for publish their pay per hour on their website).

I have to work full time even though it’s no good for either my health or DD. I do it across 3 days and 1 weekend day. DD is 6, has several medical conditions including a muscle condition, ASC is not good for her muscles after a full day at school, and we’ve had more injuries at ASC than anywhere else, she’s just too tired, her muscles are tired and she needs to rest – ASC are great offer her the sit down activities like reading and Lego but they obviously can’t control the rules on bubbles, so she still has to walk from the ASC room to the KS1 toilets which are across the hall, through the cloakroom and then through a heavy door. ASC toilets are used by Reception, I’m dreading next year when she’s in Year 3, because she will have to walk even further to the KS2 toilets if they have the same rules. She also does have to do some walking around the room, to get her snack or get herself a drink as the staff at the ASC are not allowed within 2m of the children unless they work in their bubble in the daytime or it’s an emergency. I work Tuesday to Thursday and then Saturday one week and Sunday the next

I can’t not work, UC wouldn’t cover what I need to cover for DD. Her condition means she needs to swim regularly, it strengthens her muscles and means less accidents in general, so that’s £35 a month. She has to have a specific type and style of shoe to help her walking and accommodate her prescription insoles. They’re £65 a pair. She doesn’t grow quickly but due to the way the insoles have to be changed every 12 weeks, she still needs 2-3 pairs a year. Then there’s all the other normal things that come with children; school uniform, clothes, trainers she can wear for school PE lessons, food, gas, electric etc. She’s not entitled to DLA as it’s only a mobility issue and not a learning or care need. We need 6 sets of uniform as her condition means she has toileting accidents, especially if the weathers cold or damp, so I leave a set at school and also have to have extra complete sets as she somehow manages to get her jumper soiled or wet as well as every other item! Thankfully school have a pretty good second hand uniform shop so I can buy things from there when I’m totally stuck for a small donation to the PTA but it’s the principle, why should I always have to buy everything?

I have to buy clothes for ExHs house well Ex-MILs house as he works and lives 2 hours away and comes back to the area for contact. They won’t buy clothes as he only has her 1 night EOW, so for 48 days a year it’s not worth it apparently (I see their logic!) they refuse to have her extra in the holidays so I then have to pay for holiday clubs, which can be £40 a day round here (only 2 holiday clubs in the local area, and there’s such high demand they can charge basically what they like without consequences as they’ll fill the places and the waiting list easily)

If I ask for extra money he tells me that what he pays via CMS more than covers what I need and if I need more I need to work harder like he does. Because £65 a month covers half of everything I need for her doesn’t it?

I am sick of it; I just wish I could make him work even a few more hours so I could cut mine down. If we were together I’d be working part time, probably 25 hours and him probably on closer to fulltime, although I’d be happy to be the other way round. It just seems I do everything. I am responsible for all appointments, anything to do with school, anything to do with her medical stuff, he won’t even do her physio with her.

I know I am UR but I am just fed up of everything falling to me. Just seems so unfair that I can't even afford to run a car and yet he has a nearly new one.

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Aprilshowersandhail · 30/04/2021 10:15

Surely there are benefits available for your dd given her disability?

AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:16

@Aprilshowersandhail

Surely there are benefits available for your dd given her disability?
Nope not entitled to DLA applied on multiple occasions and get told she has a mobility need not a care need and we can't have mobility component without the care element so not entitled. I've appealed but they've always upheld the decision maker.
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Aprilshowersandhail · 30/04/2021 10:18

I would be involving your MP.. They may be some help.

Shinesun14 · 30/04/2021 10:18

Get PIP sorted, ring up and get the form and pm me, I'm happy to help you fill it out.

OwlinaTree · 30/04/2021 10:18

He's a dick. I don't know what the answer is unfortunately.

Can you add up the cost of the ASC, uniform, shoes etc and show him that £65 a month towards this is nothing.

What outcome would be useful to you? Would it be useful if he did childcare on the days he's not working? Could you suggest that?

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 30/04/2021 10:19

The system is utterly bullshut. NRPs get to do less than the bare minimum and get away with it.

It does sound like you dd should be getting more help through benefits though.

OwlinaTree · 30/04/2021 10:20

Do you think he's deliberately working part time to earn less to pay you less? It seems like a strange career move unless you are caring for someone or unwell.

AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:22

@OwlinaTree

He's a dick. I don't know what the answer is unfortunately.

Can you add up the cost of the ASC, uniform, shoes etc and show him that £65 a month towards this is nothing.

What outcome would be useful to you? Would it be useful if he did childcare on the days he's not working? Could you suggest that?

He lives 2 hours away and has contact at his parents in our area, he's unlikely to drive back once or twice a week for childcare reasons, as much as I'd love that.

I'd like him to contribute more either physically through childcare and being around or financially so the burden isn't all on me.

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jclm · 30/04/2021 10:22

You may benefit from having help to complete the DLA form next time eg from the Carers Centre or elsewhere. So sorry to hear. Have you applied to Family Fund? Has your daughter got a disability social worker? If so you may be entitled to respite or direct payments.

melononapear · 30/04/2021 10:23

That sounds really hard and I completely understand your frustration. Having a child with additional needs IS more expensive, in all sorts of ways.

I know you said you've applied for DLA but given the information you've given here I would say you should qualify for at least the low rate care rate and then you could possibly get the mobility too. The forms are notoriously awkward and tricky to fill in but you can appeal their decisions - I've done it and won. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk about it x

AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:23

@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult

The system is utterly bullshut. NRPs get to do less than the bare minimum and get away with it.

It does sound like you dd should be getting more help through benefits though.

I've applied for DLA 5 times, most recently in January this year and each time I've been told she doesn't require any additional care above that of a normal 6 year old. I've taken it to MR and Tribunal and they've always upheld the decision.
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RightOnTheEdge · 30/04/2021 10:24

YANBU at all he is a total dick.
I know you don't claim UC but could you get the childcare bit and claim back for your ASC and holiday childcare?

AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:24

@OwlinaTree

Do you think he's deliberately working part time to earn less to pay you less? It seems like a strange career move unless you are caring for someone or unwell.
Definitely, his parents are still in the area they live just over a mile from me but of course the sunshines out of their sons backside and he's doing his best.
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AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:25

@jclm

You may benefit from having help to complete the DLA form next time eg from the Carers Centre or elsewhere. So sorry to hear. Have you applied to Family Fund? Has your daughter got a disability social worker? If so you may be entitled to respite or direct payments.
Had help from the local carers centre as we were filling it in the lady says "I don't think she'll get it as apart from the incontinence issues she doesn't have any extra care needs" and she was right we didn't get it.

No SW, she doesn't qualify.

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Fiercestcalm · 30/04/2021 10:33

No, you are not being unreasonable, you are doing the hard slog of parenting plus providing the very best you can for your DD and her medical needs. Just attending appointments, juggling work, and ensuring she gets what she needs plus the financial inequality and I suspect, like many women, you do without is mentally and physically exhausting and infuriating.

He should be working proper hours to provide for his child.

DD’s father ( like so many) is failing to meet his financial, parental, moral and ethical responsibilities. You and he split up, that did not exonerate him from parental responsibility but the system is misogynistic in the extreme.

So sorry that you and your daughter have to deal with this poor excuse for a father, but am amazed at your strength.

Twatterati · 30/04/2021 10:36

This is so rubbish and I really feel for you.

I think you need some extra help completing the DLA forms, as there IS an additional care need - if she has toiletting accidents, she's not presumably cleaning herself up? Her shoe inserts probably need an adult to assist at times to ensure they fit properly, stuff like that. If she is tired and her muscles are painful she possibly needs help getting dressed/undressed at times and maybe after swimming for example. Perhaps you have to carry her if she's tired, or wouldn't feel confidant her walking to school alone which (some) other children her age do, or would in a couple of years. Maybe you have to help her out of the bath or shower?

The forms have to be completed as if it's the very worst day ever for her. This is so difficult, as when our children have additional needs we really want to focus on what they CAN do, not what they can't. The forms are all about what they can't do, compared to other NT children that age.

I'd image as well that your ex had some additional form of income that's paid in cash. If you can demonstrate to the CMS that his lifestyle doesn't reflect his declared income then they will do an enquiry into it. My ex-h declared an income of only £8500 (!!!) but was paying rent on a house that cost £1450 a month, let alone his other expenses and holidays he took. HMRC and CMS were not impressed. Wasn't a quick or painless process mind you.

I really hope you are able to get something sorted as it really isn't fair that you are carrying him.

AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:42

@Twatterati

This is so rubbish and I really feel for you.

I think you need some extra help completing the DLA forms, as there IS an additional care need - if she has toiletting accidents, she's not presumably cleaning herself up? Her shoe inserts probably need an adult to assist at times to ensure they fit properly, stuff like that. If she is tired and her muscles are painful she possibly needs help getting dressed/undressed at times and maybe after swimming for example. Perhaps you have to carry her if she's tired, or wouldn't feel confidant her walking to school alone which (some) other children her age do, or would in a couple of years. Maybe you have to help her out of the bath or shower?

The forms have to be completed as if it's the very worst day ever for her. This is so difficult, as when our children have additional needs we really want to focus on what they CAN do, not what they can't. The forms are all about what they can't do, compared to other NT children that age.

I'd image as well that your ex had some additional form of income that's paid in cash. If you can demonstrate to the CMS that his lifestyle doesn't reflect his declared income then they will do an enquiry into it. My ex-h declared an income of only £8500 (!!!) but was paying rent on a house that cost £1450 a month, let alone his other expenses and holidays he took. HMRC and CMS were not impressed. Wasn't a quick or painless process mind you.

I really hope you are able to get something sorted as it really isn't fair that you are carrying him.

I put all that in but they said because school said she keeps up with the other children fine and she tries to hide her toileting accidents and clean herself up before telling the teacher that she doesn't require extra care. It's absolutely ridiculous as that money would help so much but I can't get it. School will not lie on the forms they're sent, which I absolutely get.

I strongly suspect he's hiding money somehow, but not exactly how, he's 2 hours away so I can't easily prove it. His house is £750pm but he has a housemate so he could claim his housemate pays etc.

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pam290358 · 30/04/2021 10:42

@Shinesun14. Not sure if you’re talking about the OP or the child, but if the child, she isn’t eligible for PIP as she’s only 6 so DLA is payable until age 16.

OP if your child is over 3 she should qualify for at least the lower rate component of DLA as you have to have special footwear for her. Also from your post it’s clear she has episodes of incontinence - this can also count towards mobility issues and may qualify her for some level of care component. Is she under a specialist or any other health professional because if so, it may be worth having a word with them about providing evidence to support a claim for DLA on these grounds.

Sportysporty · 30/04/2021 10:44

Id send the list to his parents and ask for budgeting advice on how to make his £65 cover even half and ask them what kind of morals they brought their son up with

AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:44

[quote pam290358]@Shinesun14. Not sure if you’re talking about the OP or the child, but if the child, she isn’t eligible for PIP as she’s only 6 so DLA is payable until age 16.

OP if your child is over 3 she should qualify for at least the lower rate component of DLA as you have to have special footwear for her. Also from your post it’s clear she has episodes of incontinence - this can also count towards mobility issues and may qualify her for some level of care component. Is she under a specialist or any other health professional because if so, it may be worth having a word with them about providing evidence to support a claim for DLA on these grounds.[/quote]
Apart from physio no other specialists involved.

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JustSleepAlready · 30/04/2021 10:46

who advised you that she cannot get DLA? That is just simply not true. DLA ( now PIP) can be paid for mobility only, care only, or both. Have you had a claim rejected? If so, please reapply with help from Citizens advice or local council. Get in touch with organisation that deals with her condition specifically and ask for help. It’s a minefield, yes, but with the right help to answer the questions ‘ the right way’ a claim should be successful.

pam290358 · 30/04/2021 10:47

Sorry, posted too soon. Child DLA is notoriously difficult to claim because DWP will always try to say that a child of that age would require help with various things anyway. If the school are no help then you need to approach the medics looking after her for evidence. I’m shocked that benefit could be denied on the word of a 6 year old that she can clean up her own accidents if she has mobility issues as well.

AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:49

@JustSleepAlready

who advised you that she cannot get DLA? That is just simply not true. DLA ( now PIP) can be paid for mobility only, care only, or both. Have you had a claim rejected? If so, please reapply with help from Citizens advice or local council. Get in touch with organisation that deals with her condition specifically and ask for help. It’s a minefield, yes, but with the right help to answer the questions ‘ the right way’ a claim should be successful.
I have applied for it 5 times and been rejected everytime, it's DLA who have told me she cannot get the mobility component without at least MRC, and she wouldn't qualify for MRC at all. I've had help from local carers centre to fill it in and the lady there said she didn't expect DD to get DLA as apart from incontience needs she doesn't have any extra needs.

School have said she's not ununusual to still have toileting accidents in year 2, she keeps up with the other children fine and tries to clean herself after an accident rather than tell the teacher so DLA have said due to that she doesn't require extra care.

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AlwaysMyProblem · 30/04/2021 10:51

@pam290358

Sorry, posted too soon. Child DLA is notoriously difficult to claim because DWP will always try to say that a child of that age would require help with various things anyway. If the school are no help then you need to approach the medics looking after her for evidence. I’m shocked that benefit could be denied on the word of a 6 year old that she can clean up her own accidents if she has mobility issues as well.
Apart from physio she has no specialist help. Condition was diagnosed by GP who referred to xrays and wrote to orthopedics but they rejected the referral and agreed with the GPs diagnosis. GP referred to physio.
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Blacktothepink · 30/04/2021 10:51

Yanbu, what a c##t 😡