Few sips of red wine when pregnant?

[ShutUpAlex]

Did anybody have small amounts of wine when pregnant? I know a lot of people have one small glass a week, but I have found that 3 or 4 sips of red wine in the evening makes my morning sickness just completely vanish! However, those sips added up each day (or at least until the morning sickness is gone) may add up more than what I think.

Would I be u reasonable to do this?
Did anyone else find this helped? I’ve tried sickness bands, ginger everything etc but can’t shift the nausea.

"If small amounts of alcohol can result in fasd"

A lot of us born in the 60's/70's when Guinness and Mackie's stout was recommended for iron, would be effected. I saw women still drink it in the 80's, when I was first pregnant. That's on top of women who just drank. I lived in an area which had a high drinking rate. Pregnant women still went to the social clubs and drank. Those babies are now adults and there's no harm been done (to the poster who said wait until they are teenager's to judge).

"As nobody can say what would be a safe amount for any woman - then any amount is a risk."

Did you miss JVT explain assumed risk, or lack of risk based on evidence and data, throughout the vaccine controversy? The data and evidence isn't there for small amounts of alcohol causing harm.

I had a single glass of champagne at my sister's wedding when pregnant with DD2. Enjoyed every drop!

I had countless vodkas and multiple shots of sambuca at my friend's 30th birthday party while pregnant with DD1... only discovered I was pregnant when the "hangover" went into day three. I was a nervous wreck for the duration of the pregnancy! Thankfully she is perfect and bright as a button but heavy or regular drinking in pregnancy is just unnecessary and will leave you feeling guilty if your child has any "issues" even if it's completely unrelated.

"You can look at foetal behaviour changes from 1 glass of alcohol"

You can from drinking one glass of fizzy drinks, especially coke. Which is why they tell you to drink a glass and lay down, if you're concerned about movement.

@TheKeatingFive

Alcohol is a teratogen which can cross the placenta and fetal blood alcohol concentrations reach almost that of maternal levels. Fetal exposure time is lengthened due to the reuptake of amniotic-fluid containing alcohol (Burd et al., 2012).

What study, where’s his data to back it up, etc, etc?

I don't understand - you're so fast to rattle off a reply saying show me a study - I give you loads of place to look and names of researchers and you clearly aren't going to look.

If you are genuinely asking the question - why don't you go and look? At least at one of the new UK sites (Preventfasd or National FASD) that are evidence based and checked by leading UK experts

If small amounts of alcohol can result in fasd, why haven’t we seen drastically reduced instances of fasd throughout the last 40 years, as guidelines changed

If FASD is such a problem from a sip of alcohol, how come the entire human gene pool wasn't affected at times in our history when everyone drank alcohol as their main liquid source? When water was a killer but weak beer was safe, and every man woman and child drank beer and wine, all the time?

I ate a fudge bar to get DS1 to move for the scan. That’s ‘foetal behaviour change’ right?

No long term effects thankfully

@TheKeatingFive

You can look at foetal behaviour changes from 1 glass of alcohol

Does foetal behaviour change translate into long term effects? Again, no evidence to indicate this.

The follow up at 5 months still showed affected CNS

Researchers unfortunately don't all do long term studies they all have their field of interest.

Lots of studies show damage to the CNS - >75% of those with FASD also have sensory processing issues

I give you loads of place to look and names of researchers and you clearly aren't going to look.

You’re just throwing lots of links at me. Most of them half relevant. Most don’t seem to have significant real life data behind them.

The bottom line is that there is no, significant evidence at population level that small amounts do harm. Otherwise, we’d be swamped with fasd cases from those born up to the 90s and those born in France very recently.

This is from the BMA. This alarmism and catastrophising of pregnant women drinking small amounts of alcohol adds undue stress and pressure they don’t need.

Please please don’t worry about small amounts of red wine, if this helps your physical and mental health then it will actually be beneficial.

A 2006 review of the evidence
on the effects of alcohol on the developing embryo, fetus and child – conducted by the NPEU (National Perinatal Epidemiology Unit) – found there to be no consistent evidence
of adverse health effects from low-to-moderate PAE.8 Other reviews, including systematic reviews and large epidemiological studies, have drawn similar conclusions.79,80,81,82,83 A recent prospective cohort study in the US found no association between low-moderate prenatal alcohol consumption and a range of perinatal outcomes

I did drink two glasses one night as I was over whelmed with panic and it helped , racked with guilt ever since even though she popped out super healthy only just stopped being apologetic and she's nearly 2, if anything is wrong you will blame. Those tiny sips ... maybe it's something sweet you need?

Researchers unfortunately don't all do long term studies they all have their field of interest.

Convenient for you

I probably wouldn’t in early pregnancy - especially just for the sake of a few sips - wouldn’t have fancied it anyway at that stage.

Personally I was cautious until the last trimester and then allowed myself the odd (full!) glass of wine. Had a week’s holiday in France at about the six month stage and enjoyed a glass of red wine every night. DD is absolutely fine.

Read ‘Expecting Better’ by Emily Oster and ‘Bumpology’ by Linda Geddes for a calm, reasoned, well-evidenced view of various risks in pregnancy. It really helped me to weigh things up and quantify risks.

If FASD is such a problem from a sip of alcohol, how come the entire human gene pool wasn't affected at times in our history when everyone drank alcohol as their main liquid source?

EXCELLENT point

www.bma.org.uk/media/2082/fetal-alcohol-spectrum-disorders-report-feb2016.pdf

The report I quoted from

@TheKeatingFive

I ate a fudge bar to get DS1 to move for the scan. That’s ‘foetal behaviour change’ right?

No long term effects thankfully

Have you looked at the study? It's about the development of the foetal startle effect and the development of the CNS - bit different to activity from a bar of chocolate.

The follow up at 5 months still showed affected CNS

There was no follow up at 5 months from one single glass of alcohol, was there? No.

There has never been a documented case of FASD without significant levels of alcohol intake. Research shows very clearly that it is large amounts of alcohol that cause harm.

If it does get so bad consider going back to GP and asking for/demanding either Cyclizine or Prochlorperazine. Widely considered safe in pregnancy as last resort.

Fetal alcohol syndrome, which combines facial dysmorphism, growth retardation and intellectual disability, occurs in about 5% of children who are regularly exposed to at least five standard units per day (about 50 g of alcohol per day).*

And

Studies in a total of 57 000 pregnancies showed no effect of minimal alcohol consumption on the risk of malformations.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22413723/

@TheKeatingFive

Researchers unfortunately don't all do long term studies they all have their field of interest.

Convenient for you

Wow, just wow

[quote Horehound]Fetal alcohol syndrome, which combines facial dysmorphism, growth retardation and intellectual disability, occurs in about 5% of children who are regularly exposed to at least five standard units per day (about 50 g of alcohol per day).*

And

Studies in a total of 57 000 pregnancies showed no effect of minimal alcohol consumption on the risk of malformations.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22413723/[/quote]
FAS is only 10% of those with FASD (McQuire et al 2019) - the new NICE QS due this year is changing the way we diagnose and FAS won;t be used anymore

@3scape

I've lately been looking at information about FAS, my advice would be not to. Especially when I realise now an acquaintance who I knew to occaisionally drink in pregnancy has a child with very noticeable facial defects as a result. I can only hope some of the life limiting effects are escaped by this child. It didn't take much alcohol.

And the paediatrician didn't pick this up at his birth check, and his GP and health visitor also haven't noticed this, but you have?

@swimlittlefishy

The follow up at 5 months still showed affected CNS

There was no follow up at 5 months from one single glass of alcohol, was there? No.

There has never been a documented case of FASD without significant levels of alcohol intake. Research shows very clearly that it is large amounts of alcohol that cause harm.

Yes he did, I guess you've still not read the study.........

I personally wouldn't due to previously having 4 miscarriages. It would make my anxiety a lot higher than it already is. I do know people who have had a small glass and their babies are fine.

It's definitely worth a chat with your midwife.

You didn't link to any study.

Unfortunately, It is actually very common for it to be missed by health professionals due to a lack of training. also I know this comment is regarding the fasd sentinel facial features but just to reiterate 90% of those with FASD do not have the facial dysmorphology