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Few sips of red wine when pregnant?

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ShutUpAlex · 27/04/2021 13:07

Did anybody have small amounts of wine when pregnant? I know a lot of people have one small glass a week, but I have found that 3 or 4 sips of red wine in the evening makes my morning sickness just completely vanish! However, those sips added up each day (or at least until the morning sickness is gone) may add up more than what I think.

Would I be u reasonable to do this?
Did anyone else find this helped? I’ve tried sickness bands, ginger everything etc but can’t shift the nausea.

OP posts:
Countrygirl2021 · 28/04/2021 10:58

*Whatever goes in your body is what feeds your baby. If you wouldn't want them to eat that as a weaning baby and toddler then don't feed it them as a foetus

That isn't even slightly how it works. Do some of you imagine eating or drinking and it going straight down some magical tube into a babies mouth?
If everyone who doesn't understand biology could sit down, that would be great.*

I can wholly assure you I understand human biology. Whatever you eat you metabolise and it passes through the placenta. What do you think the baby feeds off. It's not as linear as you much a hamburger and the baby eats the crumbs but whatever is in your body is absorbed by the baby. If you are for and healthy though exercise and nutrition then that is giving the baby a far better chance

All of the people saying alcohol hasn't affected my child/ cousin ) nephew. How do you know? Sometimes it's only by high school age when mild attention deficits show or mild difficulties with memory. Executive function difficulties might be subtle and you don't associate it to the maternal alcohol use.

3scape · 28/04/2021 11:00

I've lately been looking at information about FAS, my advice would be not to. Especially when I realise now an acquaintance who I knew to occaisionally drink in pregnancy has a child with very noticeable facial defects as a result. I can only hope some of the life limiting effects are escaped by this child. It didn't take much alcohol.

PoppysMum79 · 28/04/2021 11:04

@TheKeatingFive

Research has also shown that the amount of alcohol mum consumes almost the baby has the same amount of alcohol - obviously consider the size of Mum to baby.

Another one with no clue how the body works

Thanks very kind of you to suggest i'm making this up - You'd perhaps like to look at some of Burd's research into this.....
FTEngineerM · 28/04/2021 11:05

@3scape if they were an acquaintance how could you be sure of the amount of alcohol they were drinking?

Unless you lived with them there would be no way of knowing.

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2021 11:05

You'd perhaps like to look at some of Burd's research into this

Quote it then. And his credentials

PoppysMum79 · 28/04/2021 11:06

@TheKeatingFive

As nobody can say what would be a safe amount for any woman - then any amount is a risk.

Nobody can say what a safe amount of oxygen or water is. It doesn’t follow that ‘any amount’ is a risk. Same logic applies here.

hmmm logic..... except alcohol is a known teratogen.......
TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2021 11:08

except alcohol is a known teratogen

Big whoop it has a name. Still no actual evidence that small amounts of it are harmful.

sashh · 28/04/2021 11:10

anti-sickness medicine called antiemetic

Which is for sickness not nausea.

If you plan on breastfeeding it would be a no as-well so if 3 months off it is making you miserable you need a word with yourself about your priorities

I think the OP is talking about 3 months of sickness not 3 months of sobriety

OP

I believe the limit in France is one small glass a day.

There are small amounts of alcohol created in our bodies, there are also small amounts in ripe fruits, particularly soft one like mango.

Obviously it is up to you how you manage your pregnancy but you might want to discuss it with your Dr.

3scape · 28/04/2021 11:11

Because they were explaining to me their "amazing" diet they were following whilst pregnant and basically trying to get me to have A wine whilst I was pregnant which I did not want.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to imagine a scenario in which another person would tell you how much they drink?

ShonkyCat · 28/04/2021 11:11

@3scape

I've lately been looking at information about FAS, my advice would be not to. Especially when I realise now an acquaintance who I knew to occaisionally drink in pregnancy has a child with very noticeable facial defects as a result. I can only hope some of the life limiting effects are escaped by this child. It didn't take much alcohol.
You know that the baby has "noticeable facial defects" as a result of the mother occasionally drinking in pregnancy? Well done, you put two and two together and made 3,409.
3scape · 28/04/2021 11:12

That was @FTengineerM .

PoppysMum79 · 28/04/2021 11:12

@TheKeatingFive

You'd perhaps like to look at some of Burd's research into this

Quote it then. And his credentials

Quietly chuckles....

His credentials speak for themselves - he is a very well known and respected researcher

You might like to look at his work in 2012 - but there's loads

He was also invited by FASD researchers in the UK to act as an expert on a steering group

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2021 11:14

You might like to look at his work in 2012 - but there's loads

Cool. Quote his main conclusions.

3scape · 28/04/2021 11:14

I realise a lot of people get away with the damage they could have done to their child during their development. But you've got to quite the twat to deny a link. It's a recognised medical issue.

FTEngineerM · 28/04/2021 11:15

It’s not hard for me to imagine @3scape, I’m just pointing out it doesn’t necessarily have to be true. Especially when someone is doing something which is typically controversial. Alcohol frequently becomes a place where people are economical with the truth.

PoppysMum79 · 28/04/2021 11:15

@sashh

anti-sickness medicine called antiemetic

Which is for sickness not nausea.

If you plan on breastfeeding it would be a no as-well so if 3 months off it is making you miserable you need a word with yourself about your priorities

I think the OP is talking about 3 months of sickness not 3 months of sobriety

OP

I believe the limit in France is one small glass a day.

There are small amounts of alcohol created in our bodies, there are also small amounts in ripe fruits, particularly soft one like mango.

Obviously it is up to you how you manage your pregnancy but you might want to discuss it with your Dr.

Actually in France they have labelled all alcohol to say drinking alcohol in pregnancy causes birth defects since 2006. They've labelled in America since 1989
TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2021 11:16

It's a recognised medical issue.

Fasd? Yes.

But not associated with small amounts of alcohol consumption.

scully29 · 28/04/2021 11:19

Please please dont have any, its so not worth it. Please read up on FASD. Alcohol in utero causes irreversible damage and is just not worth it.

PoppysMum79 · 28/04/2021 11:20

@TheKeatingFive

You might like to look at his work in 2012 - but there's loads

Cool. Quote his main conclusions.

Alcohol is a teratogen which can cross the placenta and fetal blood alcohol concentrations reach almost that of maternal levels. Fetal exposure time is lengthened due to the reuptake of amniotic-fluid containing alcohol (Burd et al., 2012).

I'm very very familiar with all of this research but as I have to work as well I'm afraid I haven't time to go into every study for you.

You asked me for evidence and I have given you all the current UK Main bodies of evidence.

Popova is another respected researcher in the field - Work in the lancet if that's credible enough for you?

You could also look at UK work by Mukherjee as well as McQuire and also Cook to name but a few....

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2021 11:22

Alcohol is a teratogen which can cross the placenta and fetal blood alcohol concentrations reach almost that of maternal levels. Fetal exposure time is lengthened due to the reuptake of amniotic-fluid containing alcohol (Burd et al., 2012).

What study, where’s his data to back it up, etc, etc?

FTEngineerM · 28/04/2021 11:22

Fetal exposure time is lengthened due to the reuptake of amniotic-fluid containing alcohol (Burd et al., 2012).

Yikes.

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2021 11:24

If small amounts of alcohol can result in fasd, why haven’t we seen drastically reduced instances of fasd throughout the last 40 years, as guidelines changed.

From what some posters are saying, we’ve seen the opposite, of its suddenly more prevalent than autism.

PoppysMum79 · 28/04/2021 11:33

@TheKeatingFive

except alcohol is a known teratogen

Big whoop it has a name. Still no actual evidence that small amounts of it are harmful.

Prenatal alcohol exposure causes a disruption of brain dev, significant impairments in behaviour, attention control, language dev and an increased risk of offending in later life Preece and Riley, 2011

low level alcohol - behavioural and neurocognitive consequences, NIAAA, 2004, Henderson et al, 2007; Riley and McGee
You can look at foetal behaviour changes from 1 glass of alcohol - work by Hepper - there's a vid on the preventfasd website.

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2021 11:35

Prenatal alcohol exposure causes a disruption of brain dev, significant impairments in behaviour, attention control, language dev and an increased risk of offending in later life Preece and Riley, 2011

Evidence for small amounts pls!

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2021 11:37

You can look at foetal behaviour changes from 1 glass of alcohol

Does foetal behaviour change translate into long term effects? Again, no evidence to indicate this.

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