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Do you say "An hotel"?

145 replies

Nighthogs · 25/04/2021 21:36

Apparently this is correct, but the only time I've ever heard it used in this way is when it's said in a cockney accent (ie. "An 'otel"). When I say the word "hotel", the H isn't silent, so putting the word "an" before it just seems... Odd. I have an assuming south east accent, by the way.

Curious what everyone out there does!

YABU - I say "An hotel"
YANBU - I say "A hotel"

PS prize for most boring thread ever in 3...2...1...

OP posts:
PopsicleHustler · 26/04/2021 07:14

I would say a hotel. But then again, the only H word I use with an before it is Hour.

I will be there in "an hour"

molojoko · 26/04/2021 07:16

It's neither correct nor incorrect. It's just what is natural in your accent based on how much h-dropping is present.

planplan · 26/04/2021 07:29

I'd argue that just because it's 'correct' that saying 'a' first has moved into common usage and is still correct.

If someone said an hotel I'd think they were a bit of a twit tbh.

DoTheNextRightThing · 26/04/2021 07:40

YANBU. I don’t say 'an' historian either. It just feels weird to me. I'm Scottish if that makes any difference.

Germolenequeen · 26/04/2021 07:47

A historian is much clummsier to say than an historian 😏

Butwasitherdriveway · 26/04/2021 07:56

@Germolenequeen

A historian is much clummsier to say than an historian 😏
Really? I think it's the other way round
StatisticallyChallenged · 26/04/2021 07:59

I just tried it out loud and saying an makes me drop the h in historian a bit. So a historian, or an istorian. Unintentionally but it does

unnumber · 26/04/2021 08:11

@StatisticallyChallenged

I just tried it out loud and saying an makes me drop the h in historian a bit. So a historian, or an istorian. Unintentionally but it does
Standard British English as spoken in SE England at least - people drop or soften an unstressed h quite easily. I wouldn't agree this man that it makes you a fluent speaker of English generally, but it does come quite naturally in some regions. So some will find it easier to say a historian than others. www.bbc.co.uk/learningenglish/english/features/pronunciation/tims-pronunciation-workshop-ep-27
StatisticallyChallenged · 26/04/2021 08:27

I'm Scottish, less prone to dropping the H naturally. Historian on it's own or preceeded by a very definitely starts with an h sound for me but it feels too clunky to say it properly with an.

DelurkingAJ · 26/04/2021 08:38

Does nobody else say something that sounds more like ‘uh hotel’ so neither a hotel nor an hotel but some awful nondescript hybrid?!

unnumber · 26/04/2021 08:41

@StatisticallyChallenged

I'm Scottish, less prone to dropping the H naturally. Historian on it's own or preceeded by a very definitely starts with an h sound for me but it feels too clunky to say it properly with an.
Sure - it's people who would find "a historian" clunky who would tend to "an 'istorian". An historian / hotel with the h pronounced takes an effort - it messes up the instinct to put a before a consonant. But you might be fine with the sounded h in a phrase like "men harrassing them", which has a similar stress pattern? Others might drop that h.
knittingaddict · 26/04/2021 08:48

@molojoko

It's neither correct nor incorrect. It's just what is natural in your accent based on how much h-dropping is present.
But does it pass the written test. What would you write regardless of accent?
Cheeseycheeseycheesecheese · 26/04/2021 09:06

@Navigationcentral

Hmm not RTFT but *@Cheeseycheeseycheesecheese* when is H ever followed by a consonant? Can you think of a word like that because I am struggling ?!
I wasn't thinking properly and if you read a couple of comments down I corrected myself.
FlibbertyGiblets · 26/04/2021 09:49

@planplan

I'd argue that just because it's 'correct' that saying 'a' first has moved into common usage and is still correct.

If someone said an hotel I'd think they were a bit of a twit tbh.

polishes TWIT badge
EpitomeofAnOldBattle · 26/04/2021 10:40

A few examples of the historic pronunciation in this clip from a period drama set during early ww2 - hope this works

tinyurl.com/rdks39kh

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 26/04/2021 11:02

@MistyGreenAndBlue

"An" goes before a vowel sound. My favourite manifestation of this is the letter L. ie Cat begins with a "C" but lion begins with an "L" I bet most people don't even notice that they do this.
there are always exceptions though aren't there? an umbrella, an umpire, an utterly great idea etc - all sound good an unicorn does not
ApocalypseNowt · 26/04/2021 11:25

I like to say an hippo because it amuses me. Simple things and all that... Grin

MiddleClassProblem · 26/04/2021 11:25

@DelurkingAJ

Does nobody else say something that sounds more like ‘uh hotel’ so neither a hotel nor an hotel but some awful nondescript hybrid?!
Uh is just a pronunciation variation of a. You can hear it as ah, uh or ay. Lots of words we flex the pronunciation of, even with the same speaker such as the (thuh/ther/thee).
DynamoKev · 26/04/2021 11:28

@planplan

I'd argue that just because it's 'correct' that saying 'a' first has moved into common usage and is still correct.

If someone said an hotel I'd think they were a bit of a twit tbh.

Also polishing my twit badge ;)
Spidey66 · 26/04/2021 11:30

I'd say 'an'....but only because I have a London accent and tend to drop my aitches anyway. Blush

twoshedsjackson · 26/04/2021 12:48

I have been known to do this as a wind-up.......language is a naturally changing thing; just listen to old newsreels.
Ceramic should be pronounced with a hard c as well (Greek "keramaikos")
Obscure nerdy aside; the fruit we call "an orange* was originally "a norange" (Spanish "naranga").
I need to get out more; lockdown is clearly getting to me.

MySocalledLoaf · 26/04/2021 12:53

It’s a zombie rule. Following it sends a certain message that I wouldn’t choose to send about myself.

Onesnowynight · 26/04/2021 13:03

I just realised I say an. E.g. ‘I went to an hotel’

PigletJohn · 26/04/2021 14:31

I never drop H's accidentally, so I would never say an 'istorian or an 'orse.

I suspect that in general English usage, an hotel might be considered an affectation.

Giantrooster · 26/04/2021 14:51

Probably already said.

I'm not British so don't speak everyday English, therefore I wouldn't drop eg the H in Hotel etc. I guess the confusion arises when you leave out letters which are supposed to be pronounced.

Do you say "An hotel"?