Oh this is a thread about a thread, so I'm sure it will go
Re mother of grandchild comment, again it's so tricky to divulge personal details, and I'm sure I'll get attacked by whatever I say but firstly, I do not mean any offence by that at all, I myself was told at 16 with dm that I have a fertility problem and I would need lots of help conceiving, other women in my family have also had issues and have not been able to conceive so having dc is not something I ever expected nor took as a given, I feel extremely blessed.
Two people very close have wanted them and not been able too so it's not something I'm saying from that perspective like I'm super special.
For me it's more that I don't feel pils like their own son, they certainly don't like me so the mother of gc comment was more.. Could you just show me some of respect, at the very least I'm the mother of your gc.
It very nearly didn't happen, they could have none as I don't think sil wants them.
Re John, I'm not sure who John is, I also had not considered them being swingers, the idea didn't really gain traction on the thread but, anything is possible.