Princess Anne the only female behind the hearse

[jeanne16]

While the funeral was beautiful, I couldn’t help feeling annoyed that Princess Anne was the only female to walk behind the hearse. Surely all the grandchildren could have been included. Instead we see Beatrice, Eugenie and Zara tottering along on high heels. It would have been so much better to see them take an equal place with the men.

@constantsky

I'm more concerned that pervy Andrew was there!

Ok, I’ll bite, why are you concerned that someone who has not been convicted of anything (in a court of law, anyway!) attended the funeral of his father?

Donald Trump attended his father’s funeral, same goes for Mick Jagger and Bill Clinton presumably went to his stepfather’s. Those three men were also associated with Epstein. Countless other men have also been associated. And whilst we are at it, Prince Charles was friends with Peter Ball... So why single out Andrew?

@constantsky

I'm more concerned that pervy Andrew was there

umm you do realise he has never been convicted of anything and it was his fathers funeral??

We were the intruders to a private family event

@AngeloMysterioso

The exceptions to the rule being applied here are Anne walking in spite of being female, and Viscount Linley not walking in spite of being a grandson (presumably because he’s only 13).

Edward's son is Viscount Severn. The Earl of Snowdon was Viscount Linley before his father's death and he's a bit more than 13!

Tim Laurence, Anne's husband is a Vice Admiral by the way.

Everything would have been arranged correctly, regarding all aspects of the royal funeral. I don't think for one minute, that anyone walking behind the Dukes coffin,would have been complaining about who was walking there, and in which order. etc.

Everything regarding the funeral walk, and all other aspects,as in all the uniformed men there on duty, has to be timed,down to the last minute.. If there had been more people walking behind the coffin , especially some women, in high heels, it would have affected all the timing of the walking.and going up those steps to the building etc.

@NeverBeenNormal I corrected myself a few minutes later if you look.

@1forAll74

Everything would have been arranged correctly, regarding all aspects of the royal funeral. I don't think for one minute, that anyone walking behind the Dukes coffin,would have been complaining about who was walking there, and in which order. etc.

Everything regarding the funeral walk, and all other aspects,as in all the uniformed men there on duty, has to be timed,down to the last minute.. If there had been more people walking behind the coffin , especially some women, in high heels, it would have affected all the timing of the walking.and going up those steps to the building etc.

Exactly your first paragraph. This is a family who curtesy/ bow to each other for goodness sake. They are used to living their lives according to protocols and rules of precedence that most of us can't imagine (and would find highly archaic!). If they are told it is correct protocol for x people to do y in z order they will do that. There may be small moves towards modernisation (the inclusions of daughters alongside sons for example) but their cermonials would still not be out of place in the 19th century is not early. And highly doubt anyone wanted to start a feminist argument over ceremonial protocol whilst mourning their much loved father/grandfather.

Mick Jagger

Since when has he been in line for the throne? Or Bill Clinton?

Ok, I’ll bite, why are you concerned that someone who has not been convicted of anything (in a court of law, anyway!) attended the funeral of his father?

Donald Trump attended his father’s funeral, same goes for Mick Jagger and Bill Clinton presumably went to his stepfather’s. Those three men were also associated with Epstein. Countless other men have also been associated. And whilst we are at it, Prince Charles was friends with Peter Ball... So why single out Andrew?

It's become almost automatic on here hasn't it. Suggestions that he is into 11 year olds when the woman making accusations about him was 17 at the time.

Also the whole "he's never been popular" well I seem to remember he was at the time of the Falklands war.

If he's guilty then the FBI need to sort it out and unless or until that happens "innocent until proven guilty" is appropriate.

Tradition is full of sexism. It's a relic ofthe past that needs to be changed.

@Peregrina

Mick Jagger

Since when has he been in line for the throne? Or Bill Clinton?

I think the PP was referring to the fact that they - and many other well known names - were associated with Epstein. Andrew was just one of a crowd.

Andrew hasn't been found guilty of anything, although it would be better for all if he spoke to the FBI and sorted it out, nomatter what the outcome!

@Peregrina

Mick Jagger

Since when has he been in line for the throne? Or Bill Clinton?

Does being a friend of Epsteins only count against you if you are royal?

There are so many clever people on this thread, I wish more posters would read these interesting posts before writing their own bizarre theories that have already been debunked many times.

On the contrary, I'm amused at the pomposity of the posters who are so au fait with royal protocol that I can only presume they are are frequent guests as Windsor Castle and Balmoral. A mere plebian like myself shall of course bow to their superior knowledge.

I never gave it a thought how or why those particular people were chosen (other than they were close family) for PPs funeral, or Diana's for that matter. Obviously I wouldnt have expected the queen to walk.
And yes did anyone actually think William and Harry would come to blows if not separated by their cousin Peter...?

@fizbosshoes

I never gave it a thought how or why those particular people were chosen (other than they were close family) for PPs funeral, or Diana's for that matter. Obviously I wouldnt have expected the queen to walk. And yes did anyone actually think William and Harry would come to blows if not separated by their cousin Peter...?

One poster did in fact believe this.

Interestingly, they're not supposed to walk in straight lines or something. They're supposed to be sort of two forward and one back and the heirs are supposed to be separated. I didn't click into the link, but I think it's in case of an assasin so that they can't easily take out all heirs. Put that in yer pipes and smoke it. Phillip was probably the guy to take the bullet for William! They've strict protocol on how many heirs can travel together, so leaving them open in public, with a lot of heirs together is too risky for security purposes, hence the unusual formations.

I presumed it was DOEs 4 children then William and Harry due to being the heir (Charles) children and then Peter (the only male cousin of similar age) in the middle incase William lamped Harry.

I wouldnt have wanted to walk that long walk and be on camera for that duration. Maybe the females were offered and didnt want the press/public tearing apart and speculation.

obviously i did not think william would lamp harry and am joking, just to make clear.

Traditionally with royalty it’s only the males. Princess Anne has done this before - I think at the QMs funeral.

However I did think they probably only put her there to ensure Prince Andrew wasn’t in the front row!

There was a "joke" going round a few decades ago, saying that Anne was the son Philip always wanted/never had.
So, I can well imaging her insisting on being in that line-up.
I think Anne's great.

It is traditionally only males in the RF who do this. Princess Anne, as ever, does as she feels is right. I can not think of another female who has walked behind the coffin at a RF/state funeral- Diana's, Queen Mother's, thos of George VI, Winston Churchill, Louis Mountbatten and George V (seen clips of).

Maybe the ones in the heels didn't want to wear flats? Some people have strong feelings about shoes.

No idea why Tim Lawrence there except to balance things out so that Princess margaret's son had someone to couple up with !

I assumed this too. We don't know how things would have gone without Covid, how many rows, and it what configuration.

It think worked well, two sets of two for PP's children, one row of three for his adult male grandsons, and two at the end, his nephew and SiL. Who knows, maybe Tim Lawrence is a beloved SiL? Maybe it has nothing to do with his military career.

@Peregrina

Mick Jagger

Since when has he been in line for the throne? Or Bill Clinton?

Why do they need to be in line for the throne in the context of my response? And if you are looking at those in line to throne, why are you cherry picking the people in my comment to exclude the heir?

Who knows, maybe Tim Lawrence is a beloved SiL? Maybe it has nothing to do with his military career.

Or, it could have been both. Remember, Prince Philip planned every last detail of this funeral, so everyone there was because he wanted it.

@Isthereaduckinthehouse

Camilla ranks higher than Kate.

But do Camilla and Kate rank higher than Anne as things stand?

(Wikipedia) The order of precedence accorded to women of the royal family differs depending on whether or not they are accompanied by a husband who is of higher precedence by birthright. Thus two tables are given below: the first outlines the order of precedence for women of the royal family when unaccompanied by a more senior ranking spouse. The second shows the order of precedence when female members of the royal family are joined by their spouses of the blood Royal. This is done because when unaccompanied, blood relations of the sovereign are always accorded higher precedence than those who are married in. For example, when not accompanied by the Prince of Wales, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, ranks after Princess Alexandra, The Honorable Lady Ogilvy; when with him, she ranks above all women other than the reigning sovereign and any queens dowager. The same goes for spouses of the Queen’s grandsons and their positioning with the Queen’s granddaughters. For example, as a Princess of the blood Royal, Princess Beatrice of York outranks Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge if Catherine is unaccompanied by Prince William, Duke of Cambridge.

Order of Precedence for female members of the royal family when not accompanying their husbands
Title Holder

The Queen HM The Queen
The Queens Dowager None surviving
Daughters of the Sovereign HRH The Princess Royal
Granddaughters of former Sovereigns HRH Princess Alexandra, Lady Sarah Chatto
Princess of Wales HRH The Duchess of Cornwall
Granddaughters of the Monarch accorded princely rank HRH Princess Beatrice, Mrs Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, HRH Princess Eugenie, Mrs Jack Brooksbank
Wives of grandsons of the Sovereign accorded princely rank HRH The Duchess of Cambridge, HRH The Duchess of Sussex
Daughters-in-law of the Sovereign HRH The Countess of Wessex
Granddaughters of the Sovereign without princely rank Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor, Zara Tindall
Granddaughters-in-law of the Sovereign Autumn Phillips
Aunts (by marriage) of the Sovereign None surviving
Nieces (by marriage) of the Sovereign The Rt. Hon. The Countess of Snowdon
Granddaughters-in-law of former Sovereigns whose husbands are dukes HRH The Duchess of Gloucester, HRH The Duchess of Kent
Granddaughters-in-law of former Sovereigns whose husbands are not dukes HRH Princess Michael of Kent

Order of Precedence for female members of the royal family when accompanying their husbands
Title or Relationship Holder
The Queen HM The Queen
The Queens Dowager None surviving
Daughters-in-law of the Sovereign HRH The Duchess of Cornwall, HRH The Countess of Wessex
Daughters of the Sovereign HRH The Princess Royal
Granddaughters-in-law of the Sovereign HRH The Duchess of Cambridge, HRH The Duchess of Sussex, Autumn Phillips
Granddaughters of the Sovereign HRH Princess Beatrice, Mrs Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, HRH Princess Eugenie, Mrs Jack Brooksbank
Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor, Zara Tindall
Sisters-in-law of the Sovereign None surviving
Sisters of the Sovereign None surviving
Aunts (by marriage) of the Sovereign None surviving
Aunts (by blood) of the Sovereign None surviving
Nieces (by marriage) of the Sovereign The Rt. Hon. The Countess of Snowdon
Nieces (by blood) of the Sovereign Lady Sarah Chatto
Granddaughters-in-law of former Sovereigns whose husbands are Dukes HRH The Duchess of Gloucester, HRH The Duchess of Kent
Granddaughters-in-law of former Sovereigns whose husbands are not Dukes HRH Princess Michael of Kent
Granddaughters of former Sovereigns HRH Princess Alexandra

Complicates the curtseying.

I do wish somebody would explain why Anne was the only female in the procession, and why Peter Phillips was chosen to keep William and Harry apart, and who those two strange men at the back were, and why Viscount Linley and Lord Lucan weren't included in the walking group.