in thinking Anti war protesters should not have protested outside a memorial service today?

[mamazon]

went to an Armistace service today. my brother is in the sea cadets and so was marching but we go each year to pay our respects to both family members and those who we have never met but who have given us so much.

anyway i was so proud of DS. he asked lots of questions and he seemed to really take in why were there.

when we came out of teh church there were a group of about 20 anti war protestors, with plackards and banners.
they waited until the laying of wreaths before they started shouting and hollering.

I was utterly disgusted buy them. i was so angry i had tears in my eye. there were veterens there who were clearly upset by this display of ignorance.

I do not believe we shoudl still have troops in Iraq but today is not about War it is about respect for those who have given their lives in teh name of our country and all of us who live here.

im sorry but it really did make me so angry.

it's ok if it prevents more gravesides... or if the intention to prevent more gravesides is there.

Surely remembrance is exactly about right and wrong? I'm bloody sure that's what my grandparents thought WW2 was about, for starters, and dh's grandad thought WW1 was about...

Is it?

Obviously not in this context though.

And for the record, my grandad avoided any commemoration of war. He despised the sight of politicians parading.

No, but you should keep your sense of decency with you. Its not a time to argue about war - its a time to remember and reflect - its only one day! Two minutes of one day! If you can't just reflect for that time, there is something wrong.

I keep saying it, theres a time and a place. There are millions against the Iraq war, but I don't think there would be many with you on this one Yummers.

ok im going to disregard yummers posts as she is clearly trolling on this thread. i am not sure why she feels it necessary to be so rude but it may go a long way to explain her viewpoint on this subject.

maybe i shal ask tech to create an "ignore poster" button similar to te ignore thread button

er.. i was in no way being rude, i just feel very strongly that the emphasis of blindly 'remembering' like so many tape recorders stuck on a loop does nothing to further humanity, whereas protesting for an end to war is at least an attempt to help each and every one of us.

Calling someone a troll because they disagree with you is really Not On.

It's not the protesting that most of us have an issue with.

It's protesting in that place at that time.

Good idea, Mamazon. It's quite fascinating reading her posts - so many, and yet so few points made. Ignore her - it sounds as if she's looking for a bit of excitement in the form of a pointless slanging match on a quiet Sunday evening.

er i'm no troll. it's unbelievable that you consider anyone with a different opinion to be a troll. i have a daughter of 20 months and a good mind to complain about your accusing me of trolling, when i'm just a mumsnetter expressing my deeply held convictions.

Remebering doesn't have to be the Queen putting tributes on the cenotaph, it doesn't have to involve politicians. It can be as personal as you like.......mine is pretty quiet, and I'm as willing and able to argue the rights and wrongs of war as the next, but I wouldn't do it on Armistice day in front of other pple remembering in their own way.

'blindly remembering' sums it up for me. Its not blind, its meaningful. Just cos you shout doesn't mean you've got the most to say.

so your statement "mamazon it's very simple - i'll try and use words of less than one syllable" was not rude then? it wasn't deliberatly trying to goad me?

i have tried to see your POV, i have even said that actually yes i can see a good case for protesting today, but just not at a memorial service. and yet you continue to post incredibly inflammatory and ill thought out posts.

i alwyas thought a troll was someone who posted deliberatly provocative remarks with teh sole intention of creating offense. to my mind that is what Yummers has done here.

whats having a daughter got to do with it?

Complain to whom, exactly, Yummers?

niceglasses - 'empty vessels make most noise' don't you agree?

well having a daughter an using mumsnet a lot means i'm not a troll.

i didnt say you were a trol;l i said you were trolling on this thread.

What a strange way of defining a non-troll.

You may not be a troll, as in you are a regular member of the site but I agree with mamazon that you have displayed trollish behaviour on this thread.

x posts mamazon

Blimey, MN used to be a place where you could have a good argument, a passionate debate, without people yelling 'troll' just because someone disagreed with them.

Troll is Def Con Three in internet land, a whole different category to general impatience such as 'words of one syllable'. It is incredibly rude to suggest someone is not genuine and is merely adopting a persona to create trouble.

Agree with SaintGeorge and Mama.

Mamazon didn't say that edam.

not deliberately inflammatory in the slightest - just standing my ground. have complained to mnhq about trolling accusations

remembering is ok, esp the WW1 and 2 generations that had no choice about going to war.

Its the way they do it that is sickening. Every year, they suck these people into a giant justification of war, with politicians looking sombre, media articles about Our Brave Boys, mixing the older generation's feelings about WW2 and the current Iraq thing.

Ordinary people gave their lives during the 20th century, and the establishment uses it to justify more wars. I would like to see less parading and smart clothes and poppy effects and sentimental tugging about wars that most people agree with all over the tv, and instead, a bit more humility on the part of the establishment. Not so much of a Remembrance Parade, as a Remembrance Conscience Searching by our leaders.
An annual reflection on their mistakes, and how many people died because of them would be refreshing.