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Only vaccinated being evacuated from St. Vincnent

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millenialblush · 10/04/2021 12:07

abc7.com/volcano-in-st-vincent-erupts-as-thousands-evacuate-/10501485/

Has the world gone utterly mad? The PM of st. Vincent has said that only the vaccinated can board evacuation cruise ships or be granted temporary status to stay on other islands during the massive volcanic eruption.

This is the 2-tier society in all its glory.

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dotdashdashdash · 10/04/2021 20:33

A massive covid outbreak by mixing vaccinated and unvaccinated wouldn't help matters though would it (vaccinated still get covid and pass it around).

Thenattyg · 11/04/2021 05:34

You do all know that even those vaccinated can still spread and catch coronavirus right?

SoupDragon · 11/04/2021 09:32

@Thenattyg

You do all know that even those vaccinated can still spread and catch coronavirus right?
You do know that the rates are lower for vaccinated people, right?
Thenattyg · 11/04/2021 12:16

So mixing with unvaccinated people for a short period of time whilst they flee danger shouldn’t be a problem then should it

Moondust001 · 11/04/2021 13:36

[quote Mumoftwoinprimary]@Moondust001 - your posts are fascinating. Would you be willing to do an AMA at some point - I’d love to hear more about how it all works.[/quote]
Thank you. Funnily, I was wondering last night if people would be interested in something like that, so yes, I'll start a thread. Ooo, never started a thread before. So exciting!

@MyFuzzyBoy - This is completely warped. Anyone who can’t see this too has been completely conditioned. This is not the world that I want for my children.

If you only knew how totally unconditioned I am. Or how wrong you are.

For those interested in facts and not media conjecture, the OP's quoted source is totally wrong. That's why nobody should be conditioned to believe what they read in the media.

Here's an update on what is actually happening. Neither cruise line have banned unvaccinated people. They never banned unvaccinated people. What they actually said was that Their ships could not be used as floating refugee centres, but could be used as ferries. The reason for this is simple - like many cruise lines their ships are "mothballed". What this means is that they have only skeleton essential crew aboard. They can move the ships, but they have nobody to organise accommodations, food and other resources. So they cannot be used as floating refuge centres. Even if they could have got the crews aboard in time, they wouldn't have the expertise to operate in such a fashion - it would require skills and capacity they don't have to manage these circumstances. So the ship are landing in the north, and are ferrying people - whether vaccinated or unvaccinated - to safe areas.

In some places, hotels are being used as refuge centres. Some of those hotels have said that they only have capacity to take vaccinated people. The reason is because the vast majority of their staff are unvaccinated, and like hotels the world over, not well paid. In tourist season they make more in tips than they do in wages, and they have had neither for a very long time. The hotels have mostly been closed. Re-opening a hotel and bringing in unvaccinated staff without the capacity or expertise to manage vulnerable populations who are also unvaccinated is putting everyone at risk and not sensible at all. That is why the UK, like them and many other countries, closed hotels! The hotels could have simply not re-opened, but they have opened and brought their staff back to support people who need help - they do not need to make things worse by ignoring common sense and going out of their way to start a Covid outbreak on top of everything else.

Those who are not yet vaccinated are being moved to facilities where an outbreak could be managed if it happens, with appropriate medical and other teams to support them. Vaccines are being offered immediately to everyone who wants one.

Whilst there is never a fortuitous time to have a situation like this, St Vincents is in a better position than it might have been. It took delivery of 48,000 vaccines two days ago and few of them have yet been taken up. The population being relocated is around 20,000. You do the maths.

They also have few cases of Covid - out of a population of about 110,000, they have had significantly less than 2,000 cases and only 10 deaths. That has been the result of hard work by their health services to ensure that people act sensibly. The trick now has to be to keep it that way.

The most immediate issue now is water. Volcanic ash is polluting water supplies on the island. It's not likely to be toxic in the short term, but even purified it will taste like shit! And purification is required for all the populations water - not just those relocated. That's an enormous task.

SoupDragon · 11/04/2021 14:04

@Thenattyg

So mixing with unvaccinated people for a short period of time whilst they flee danger shouldn’t be a problem then should it
🤦🏻‍♀️

It's really not that difficult to grasp. Just read Moondust's posts.

picklemewalnuts · 11/04/2021 21:21

Unfortunately people don't like to trouble their opinions with context and expertise from folk like Moondust!

Thenattyg · 11/04/2021 22:19

Ok u can all stop eating out of of moondusts bum now !! No one disagreed with what moon dust said but the original thread was that only vaccinated people would be able to take refuge in other countries or board the cruise ships. This is wrong just as it was wrong when the life boats on the titanic were filled according to class!! In a life or death situation it should not come down to being vaccinated or not especially when the survival rate from covid is above 90% in people with no underlying health conditions. At the end of the day yes there are risks in every situation but the risk from the volcano are higher than the risk of covid at this present time. As per directgov Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease. People do your research

Thenattyg · 11/04/2021 22:25

And the cruise ships may not have said anything about having to vaccinate but the president of st Vincent has said people would need to vaccinate prior to taking refuge on the ships or other island etc which is wrong so it isn’t all speculation or the media twisting things

WombOfOnesOwn · 11/04/2021 22:29

Wouldn't it have been just as easy to have a ship full of LOW RISK people, regardless of vax status, and a ship full of vaxed people regardless of risk status? Those who were both unvaxed AND high risk could decide for themselves whether to be on an island shelter or on a ship.

People act like all covid cases are equal. They are not. A ship of low-risk people wouldn't be an issue. Even the Diamond Princess, a ship full of old people with many risk conditions that had no distancing until the ship had an outbreak, only had 14 deaths in total.

Stop acting like this is the plague.

Moondust001 · 12/04/2021 18:31

Did anyone actually listen ffs? The ships are acting as ferries only and they are taking everyone. And the President of St Vincent's said no such thing. Ffs you are the ones telling people to do their research, and yours is WRONG.

I really don't give a flying fuck if you desperately need to go to the pub or shop in Primark. Stop trying to make a disaster for some real people about what you want! Oddly, most of the world also doesn't give a fuck what Direct Gov thinks. Most of the UK doesn't care either! You want to antivax. Have at it. I really don't care whether you have the vaccine or not. But here's my view, and it's got nothing to do with St Vincent's - I don't want you sitting next to me in the cinema or the pub. You can have your rights. But I want mine. And mine is not to be your guinea pig so that you can sit pretty doing the same things only because I, and most other people, cared enough about everyone to do the right thing. Honestly - and I've made it clear I'm no saint - you antivaxxers disgust me.

Sparrowcrane · 12/04/2021 22:46

If the article presented the story wrongly then that's great news! I'm shocked and saddened by nasty evil comments that it would be reasonable to 'risk' manage the vaccinated and non vaccinated in such a situation which presents an immediate danger to life! Are you people for real?

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