AIBU - England couldn’t care less about Northern Ireland

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Northern Ireland has seen a return to violence , petrol bombs etc every night for a week now. It’s dominated the headlines here in Ireland. People are worried as peace up north is so fragile. Listening to the radio yesterday an old advisor of Tony Blair was on to discuss. The radio host read out the top 8 listed stories on all main English sites and the violence of Northern Ireland didn’t even feature. It’s the top headline again in all major Irish publications this morning but not in English publications.

@ohnana

44.2% of people in NI did not vote for Brexit. Only 27% of eligible voters did.

And when you account for the fact that views have changed significantly since then, plus another 5 years of younger people who are now adults, I suspect it might be a little less than the 27% of eligible voters would vote for leave again.

44.2% of people who bothered their arse to vote - I see you dodged the actual question though.

What’s the question you want answered? That more people in NI voted to remain? Yes?

@ohnana

What’s the question you want answered? That more people in NI voted to remain? Yes?

No - my point is that Brexit is always characterised (as on this thread) as English Brexit voters not giving a shit about peace in Ireland. But the uncomfortable truth is that a good many people (of those could be arsed to vote) in NI voted for Brexit. Not a majority, but a significant minority. What about them? Were they also ignorant of NI? Did they also not give a shit about peace? That's the question.

@sarahtrue11....what about the children that witnessed their parent getting murdered or witnessed a bomb going off or the children themselves that lost their life...do you think they had an "innocent excitement"?
You do come across as having a certain amount of naivity...

it could be argued in one train of thought that Northern Ireland was "taken" from Ireland, so that is why there is still the thought that it could be "given back" to Ireland.
Do you know anything about NI really? Why the troubles stated in the 60's The civil war many years after living under British rule no jobs, no votes, no houses.
Please educate yourself.
A good documentary spotlight the troubles in NI may enlighten and educate you.
How could it excite you Sarah innocent people getting shot - bombs scares - bombs - bloodshed.
I highly doubt you lived in NI.

British rule in the 1960s! Who doesn’t know their history now.. a little more complex than that phrase would suggest?

How about “unionist rule in the 1960s”?

Sarah confirmed on a previous thread she grew up in Co. Roscommon not NI.

British rule in the 1960s! Who doesn’t know their history now..
I'm aware of the 1916 rising - civil war in NI 1922 to 1923.
DP is from NI his grandparents, parents, extended family just got on with life for years as 2nd class citizens living in flats
before their rights were being eroded further votes ignored no employment they'd no choice but to fight back.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_civil_rights_movement
I was referring to civil rights movement in the 60's.

'The Troubles' .... a way of making terrorists sound like nice freedom fighters.... knee capping, nail bombs, children slaughtered... I remember it well.

Imagine calling Islamist terrorists 'freedom fighters' and the troubles ....

No matter who you are and who you represent planting bombs under cars/shopping centres/when horses parade past is COWARDLY and sick.

All I mean is that the NI of the 1960s was run by unionists from NI for their own convenience.

They can in my view get totally stuffed; they could have resolved this in the 1960s if they had had an ounce of brains. Instead law and order collapsed uniquely in a part of the UK and instead of accepting a power sharing arrangement, they refused, meaning that direct rule was imposed because there was no arm of the state they weren’t prepared to use. That’s ulster unionism for you - I couldn’t think of anything less liberal or less like England than that.

They are in a class of their own, truly. Opened the door to a lot of gangsters to run the streets and poison the children with sectarianism on both sides. Horrible. And now yea the DUP, not even the UUP. Middle ground doesn’t exist! I don’t know why they haven’t been driven into the sea.

Well i heard it on news and see online on newspaper sites

I live in Northern Ireland. The violence here is mainly due to youths earning their stripes. There have been text messages calling on all the youth to 'raise arms' and fight for social injustices on behalf of the many factions (UDA, UVF etc) Its all an excuse for violent people to be violent. Videos of parents egging on their children etc.
The police not taking any action against members of sinn fein who broke covid rules to attend a funeral of a well known terrorist didn't help but that also happened a while ago so another excuse. The brexit fiasco again another excuse. The loyalist leaders don't want borders as how else will their drugs and weapon operations succeed? Its a multitude of issues not helped by the incompetent Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neil not doing enough to stop it either.
Essentially it's a small few of the population causing mayhem simply because they can. Instead of fighting the politics they burn their own bins on their streets and trash their own area

I had aggressively been accused of being a Protestant from a young work colleague and yet as a Protestant living in Northern Ireland we are continually told we have nothing to fear from living in a United Ireland? Not according to that comment.

@Yuppie20

I live in Northern Ireland. The violence here is mainly due to youths earning their stripes. There have been text messages calling on all the youth to 'raise arms' and fight for social injustices on behalf of the many factions (UDA, UVF etc) Its all an excuse for violent people to be violent. Videos of parents egging on their children etc. The police not taking any action against members of sinn fein who broke covid rules to attend a funeral of a well known terrorist didn't help but that also happened a while ago so another excuse. The brexit fiasco again another excuse. The loyalist leaders don't want borders as how else will their drugs and weapon operations succeed? Its a multitude of issues not helped by the incompetent Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neil not doing enough to stop it either. Essentially it's a small few of the population causing mayhem simply because they can. Instead of fighting the politics they burn their own bins on their streets and trash their own area

That is so sad.

The trouble is the police cannot sort it since they are labelled 'British' or English supporting.

I feel for the innocent people there.

I mean who shits in their own backyard and trashes their own areas then blames it all on the British/English/Brexit/Religion/Factions/etc .... excuses excuses and it looks like it will go on and on and on and on...

The Troubles' .... a way of making terrorists sound like nice freedom fighters.... knee capping, nail bombs, children slaughtered... I remember it well.

No matter who you are and who you represent planting bombs under cars/shopping centres/when horses parade past is COWARDLY and sick.

I agree. Omagh bombing sticks in my mind when I was a teenager I remember it well those innocent people caught up for no reason.

I see the "troubles" as a troubled time for the innocent people caught up in it - when DP's DM mentions the troubles her face crumbles with sadness.

I think the riot thugs are a very small part of NI they do not represent NI.

@Huginamugg just to reassure you there are 1000's of protestant citizens in the Republic.
Religion is not an issue besides most people are atheist.

Blaming people who voted brexit or sorry the english that did, like no other nation also did is also unfair
Lets not pretend that all those who voted remain did so because they were worried about NI lets be honest
Have you seen how many in NI also voted to leave

@Huginamugg

I had aggressively been accused of being a Protestant from a young work colleague and yet as a Protestant living in Northern Ireland we are continually told we have nothing to fear from living in a United Ireland? Not according to that comment.

I agree - having come from the east end of London where you could ask a hundred people you met on the street and they could all believe in a different man/woman in the sky (or none at all) and come from many different countries, still manage not to fight each other, and still not be attacked by the locals if they were immigrants, I was surprised that anyone would still be wanting to pick an argument about religion in this day and age. Not sure that is a very helpful thing to say about the people on the island of Ireland, however, as it does seem to matter a great deal to some of them.

Their will only be progress once the DUP are voted out .... which unfortunately won't happen for few generations sadly. The problem here as well is punishment from paramilitaries means getting shot or bombed, police are hindered by the politics as a lot of politicians were/are terrorists. Arlene Foster and her friends were literally caught red handed stealing half a billion of tax payers money on the oil burning scam 😳 and she is still in power. People still vote DUP... mind just boggles tbh. Not saying Sinn Fein are any better. The slate needs wiped clean and rid of the lot of them but it won't happen any time soon.

A lot of us do care a great deal: you should be asking why it has not been in the news and who decided that.

Also their needs to be a separation of religion and state......

Somebody tell me how this is connnected to God and Christianity?
The same bloody God, the same religion. FFS

Thank you for your comment @Emeraldshamrock. I have started following RTE news, just to get a feel for how we are viewed as Protestants in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately, 90% of what I read in the comments, they have the same attitude as the comment made by Bamboos work colleague.
I don't know if this is a good source of information but it hasn't allayed my fears any.

I don't think it is about religion really more separate identities through nationality.
Those who live there will verify it has massively changed over 20 years.
Youths mixing, going to uni, dating, all unheard of in the past.
I had DD in Belfast in a cross community maternity scheme all the women got on from both sides.
This is hopefully just a set back not war.