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Imran Khan

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Proudboomer · 07/04/2021 15:13

www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/7/outrage-after-pakistans-imran-khan-links-rape-to-how-women-dress

And to think I actually used to like him.

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bonfireheart · 08/04/2021 11:19

No I'm not having a laugh about being raped and groped. When I spoke out about my rape I was told "it's what men do".

bonfireheart · 08/04/2021 11:21

Even in that video Imran Khan refers to India as the "rape capital of the world", everyone knows this and yet they don't seem to be doing anything to change that and make women's lives easier.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 08/04/2021 11:22

He’s lost the plot

CheckMate2021 · 08/04/2021 11:24

@bonfireheart apologies as I was referring to the Hajj comment snd not the previous one.
However, I believe that region, and obviously I don’t have numbers for Pakistan/Bangladesh/Nepal (places such as Myammer included) etc but knowing the absolute awful rate of rape in India, I believe something needs to be done with this assumption and cultural acceptance of this idea.

I’ve also seen many many Indian politicians blame the women time and time again.

CheckMate2021 · 08/04/2021 11:27

@bonfireheart but you must have seen the videos of at 5/6 Indian politicians who have openly said it is all on the women (majority tend to be BJP party). I agree, no one seems to be worried or care much, allegedly the women are the ones to blame!

Mittens030869 · 08/04/2021 11:28

There really is no way of knowing rape figures, so Imran Kahn can’t possibly know that there are more rapes in the UK than in Pakistan.

Women and girls are blamed if they’re raped for ‘tempting’ men, even very young girls. They get shunned by their communities and end up with no option other than to become a prostitute. (I’ve seen this in the stories I’ve heard from Central Asian women who the charity I’ve worked with has helped.)

So the vast majority of women and girls won’t report it and will suffer in silence.

CheckMate2021 · 08/04/2021 11:33

@Mittens030869 I agree, for some reason that region has a very disturbed view of women. I don’t know where this idea stems from (considering they have alternative religions 🤷‍♀️) but there’s an attitude of avoiding the whole issue and sticking with the idea of blaming women. The cultural ideology obviously allows and promotes this belief that women are inferior and will always be the ones in the wrong even if they are the victim.

Mittens030869 · 08/04/2021 11:37

Sadly, Christian attitudes towards women in that region are just as bad. (Tbh, that attitude exists in some churches in this country as well.)

bonfireheart · 08/04/2021 11:38

This is then how we end up with grooming gangs in the North, the same mentality.

Recently in Birmingham we had a Muslim guy jailed, he was a teacher and he had a Muslim marriage with a 14 year old that he had groomed. The amount of Asian men on social media falling over themselves to say it was OK to marry a 14 year old as long as she had her first period was sickening.

Then there was another Muslim guy recently who was jailed for grooming an 11 year old and sending her over 4000 messages including dick pics. Gross.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 08/04/2021 11:48

There is a story that was in the press last week of particular gang members who were supposed to be deported to Pakistan (after serving their jail time) but still living in the towns where they committed their crimes.

It wasn’t clear why they were still in the U.K. Lawyers arguing for their human rights/rights to family life I guess.

NiceGerbil · 08/04/2021 14:40

Or, the lack of interest from our police courts etc in anything to do with sex offences against women and girls.

This country has a woeful record and rape convictions are at an all time low.

Let's not forget that things aren't exactly rosy here, and imran's thoughts are shared by a chunk of our population.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 08/04/2021 17:07

Isn't Jemima Khan irrelevant to this, I thought they divorced in 2004?

toffeebutterpopcorn · 08/04/2021 17:13

One of his ex wives (and mum to 2? of his children). How many ex wives had he got - Ive seen quotes from two (the other one said something like ‘the less he speaks the better’).

The worst bit it that he said in on response to a question about sex assaults on women and children.

RickiTarr · 08/04/2021 17:14

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

Isn't Jemima Khan irrelevant to this, I thought they divorced in 2004?
She is the mother of his sons. Why shouldn’t she correct the rapey comments their father is making?

She is also a very well read, an Urdu speaker and has a relevant Masters from SOAS.

Most importantly she is a Muslim woman.

Why do you want her to shut up and sit down?

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 08/04/2021 19:02

@RickiTarr - worded it badly, I meant Imran Khan himself would not take her comments into consideration, since they are divorced.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 08/04/2021 19:12

I assume they still communicate as they share children.

CateTown · 08/04/2021 19:44

@Mittens030869

Sadly, Christian attitudes towards women in that region are just as bad. (Tbh, that attitude exists in some churches in this country as well.)
Has the British Prime Minister or the Queen publicly said that women in Britain are raped because of the way they dress or behave? We're talking about heads of state not religious leaders.
Mittens030869 · 08/04/2021 19:50

True, no they wouldn’t, or at least they wouldn’t say it out loud. I was simply commenting on how ingrained the attitude is, that women are somehow to blame for being raped.

londonrach · 08/04/2021 19:53

Never liked him...yanbu...

CateTown · 08/04/2021 19:55

@Mittens030869

True, no they wouldn’t, or at least they wouldn’t say it out loud. I was simply commenting on how ingrained the attitude is, that women are somehow to blame for being raped.
But that attitude isn't prevalent in the UK and no British prime minister would ever say that. Let's not excuse Khan - he's a religious fundamentalist who despises women.
Mittens030869 · 08/04/2021 21:15

No argument there, and I’m not excusing him at all. But Islam isn’t the only religion with its fundamentalists, which is the point I was making. (I grew up with the Christian version of it.)

The difference is that the fundamentalism is preached by heads of state in the Muslim world, other heads of state would likely say the exact same thing as Kahn.

That is what would never happen in the UK, as the national government is secular. As well as the fact that rape is actually a crime in the UK.

UrbanRambler · 09/04/2021 00:37

Wasn't IK a bit of a playboy, back in his youth? I doubt he was ever very concerned about the views or welfare of women back then, and is probably even less bothered now he has become more hardline in his religious views.

There's no doubt that when women wear very skimpy clothing they will attract a lot more male attention, and much of it will be of the wrong kind, but no decent man is going to rape a woman just because she's scantily clad. Likewise, the rapist hanging around after dark, waiting for his next victim to appear, is unlikely to change his mind about raping his chosen victim just because she's conservatively dressed.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/04/2021 00:55

There's no doubt that when women wear very skimpy clothing they will attract a lot more male attention, and much of it will be of the wrong kind

This just isn't true. Things that actually help are getting older, getter fatter, dyeing my blond hair brown. School uniform (very very boring and conservative) was open fucking season when I was younger.

I was a young, blonde woman and it was constant, pretty much regardless of what I wore.

UrbanRambler · 09/04/2021 01:16

@MrsTerryPratchett Fair point, younger women tend to get a lot more male attention, regardless of what they wear. My experience as a young woman was similar to yours (although I was brunette). Combine the beauty of youth with a skimpy outfit and many men just can't help looking (but that is no excuse for men who attack women).

NiceGerbil · 09/04/2021 01:39

That's bollocks Care. Sorry but it is.

The attitudes survey shows that a lot of our population have views about behaviour and clothes meaning women are 'skiing for it'.

With Rotherham the police saw the girls as 'child prostitutes'.

Schools enforce a skirt length for girls because shorter skirts even on younger secondary school girls are seen as 'inappropriate'... I'm sure I don't need to go into what that means and why they say it.

Our rape convictions are at an all time low.

Women's sexual histories are still brought up in court even though the rules were changed to stop that.

And on and on.

People in glass houses etc.

The speed to condemn people (over there) while often being totally unable to see/ remember problems (over here) is really odd.

The prevalence and acceptability of sexual violence against women differs. And how it manifests.

But the claim that this is because he's Muslim is ????

You forgot the widespread, covered up sexual abuse in the RC church? With many men still being protected?

The C Of E also abused an awful lot of children with impunity.