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Mother's abuse of power

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Sarahtrue11 · 07/04/2021 11:12

#Notallmothers

But I think that one of the biggest abuses of power in the world today, is mother's abuse of their adult children.

I know so many mothers who think that they are more important than their children, that because they created the child, that they should have total power over them.
I know so many mothers who really emotionally abuse their adult children, and see them as an object that they own. They seem completely unable of seeing their adult children as human beings who are entitled to have their own lives. Where does this come from?
Do women need more education on the fact , that even if a human being comes out of your body, it does not mean that you own that human being?

I will give you a few examples of people that I know.

I know three adult men, with single mothers. Two have mothers that are divorced, one has a mother that is widowed. All three mothers expect their adult son to be at their beck and call. The mothers see themselves as more important than the sons, they constantly want the sons to provide them with emotional support and they treat their sons like substitute husbands.
One man said to me that he is expected to phone his mother for two hours every day, and if he doesn't, she goes apeshit. He has tried to say that he is busy, but she won't listen. She puts her needs before his.

One of the other men has told me that he has tried to stand up to his mother a few times, but she just shouts at him, and says to him "I made you". I have witnessed this woman screaming at her adult son on numerous occasions.

The third man told me that his mother will ring him with all her emotional problems, and never ask him how he is. He also said that whatever he does, she tells him that he is doing it wrong.

My own mother (70s) has two children, she thinks that she is more important than me and my brother, and she will always put her wishes and wants before me and my brother. I moved to another country so she doesnt abuse me, but she abuses my brother all the time. My brother is 40 - and she rings him all the time to tell him what to do, and that what he is doing is wrong. She barks orders at him. I said to her, on our last phonecall that he is 40, and she shouldn't be telling him what to do, he is an adult, and to let him have his own life. And she said "no you have to tell John what to do". I know she enjoys the power over him. My brother is a weakened person because of her behaviour, because my mother has been so controlling and aggressive over him, since he was very young. He has tried to limit contact with her, but she is very effective in making him think that he is crazy, and that it is his fault that he is so bad.

I also have a female friend, late thirties. Her parents own a farm. She is a teacher and lives in a different town. Every day her mother rings her and asks (tells) her to come out and see her. If she says she is busy, her mother cries and wails and guilt trips her. Her mother never thinks that her daughter is a busy teacher with her own life, she just thinks about herself, always. Her mother then also guilts her into helping out in loads of areas of the farm. My friend said when she was close to a nervous breakdown with teaching in her own job all day, and doing the farm accounts all night for free for her mother, that she eventually was able to stand up to her mother about the accounts. Her mother has also said to her daughter that she would like it if she never gets married, so that her duaghter can make her mother her number one priority her whole life! True story.

Then look here on Mumsnet, there are so many stories about mothers being abusive to their daughters.

I think it is important to talk about this. Why do many women try to exert power and control over their children? What can be done to improve this? Again #notallmothers, but I see a lot of it happening.

OP posts:
Notworking123 · 08/04/2021 00:09

It's unfortunate you know so many terrible mothers, I don't know any at all so can't give any advice other than to go no contact. The posts on here are totally skewed so you can't really use that as evidence of your theory that a high percentage of mothers are controlling and bat shit. People aren't going to nip on to share that they have a perfectly healthy and mundane relationship with their mother.

UhtredRagnarson · 08/04/2021 00:12

But I think that one of the biggest abuses of power in the world today, is mother's abuse of their adult children.

Yes that is indeed the biggest abuse of power in the world today. Single women abusing adult men.

FrenchBoule · 08/04/2021 00:25

Interesting point.
From my experience parental abuse starts in childhood.

The dynamic of the child-parent places child as subordinate.
When children grow up and turn into adults they are no longer subordinates, they are equal to their parents.

Some parents fail to recognize this and still treat their child as they are not individual, independent person.

As an adult I don’t have to listen to my parents (or anybody),I don’t have to obey them.
I can make my own choices and decisions, I can say “no” whenever I want.

I don’t give in to emotional blackmail, demands, sulking, tantrums,screaming and crying.

Took me a very long time.

FOG has lots to answer for it.
Fear,obligation and guilt.

Hard to stand up for yourself when you’ve been trained by your parents to put their wants and demands before your needs.

A good parent builds healthy relationship with the kids with clear boundaries and wants the best for the child.

Sarahtrue11 · 08/04/2021 11:06

@UhtredRagnarson But the women have started it, when those men were a child, so as an adult that traumatic dynamic is stlll there. those adult men are afraid of their mothers.

I look at my adult brother who is forty, and I feel really sad for him. He is unemployed, he has no friends, he has never had a girlfriend. He is convinced that he is a terrible person, and that no one would want him, because his mother has told him that he was a bad person since he was a young child.

The other adult men that I know are genuinely afraid of their mothers. There is a trauma bond created in their mind since childhood, that their mother is more important than them, and if they don't make her happy, she will yell at them.

I just think it is really sad.

I think it is a symptom of society at large today. That many women are being abused by men, so those women then abuse the weaker people close to them, to feel powerful, which is their children.

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Sarahtrue11 · 08/04/2021 11:09

@FrenchBoule yes it is hard to stand up to someone when they have had power over you for a long time, and you have been very weak and small around that perosn.

Well done for not giving into emotional blackmail!
I still genuinely feel afraid of my mother, even though I am not around her.
I was talking to a colleague yesterday, and she said that she was having a good day until her mother rang her, and it put her in a terrible mood.

Oh well, I guess we all need to stand up for ourselves and not give in to any emotional blackmail.

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depopsa · 08/04/2021 11:19

Interesting how your original post takes the mother as the original source of all oppression within families, while you tuck away this argument, That many women are being abused by men, so those women then abuse..., quietly at the end of one of your subsequent ones. Power play and abuse run rife in families often for generations and I think it's a very childish (literally) point of view to see the woman who happens to be the mother in your situation as the source of it.

I have an abusive and oppressive mother. I am (was) also scared of her and moved countries in a large part to stay away from her. But I can see she is a product of her upbringing and relationship with my dad just as much as she is a human with free will. It would be unfair (and simply unrealistic) to expect her to have operated as a robot that could just switch all of that off, because, don't you know, mothers are supposed to be all love, kindness and self sacrifice.

Could she have done better with the tools that she had? Yes. Did she come into this situation with the intended purpose of lording over her children? No.

Sarahtrue11 · 08/04/2021 11:27

@depopsa, I didn't tuck away any argument, I added to my point.

My question is: why would women abuse children that they have given life to, and are so precious to them. It is so un natural, but I see a lot of it happening. And I don't think it always just stems from the women themselves.

My theory is actually that two things influence this: that because women are being abused in many sectors of society by men, that they then take this abuse out on the weaker people close to them, and also because society makes the burden of childcare fall on women, that this makes some women more abusive.

Of course there are just abuvie asshole women in general. I was more looking for answers as to why this happens so much.

I don't really understand what you are annoyed with me about in your post. You said "I think it's a very childish (literally) point of view to see the woman who happens to be the mother in your situation as the source of it.",
but I had said that I think that I think that many mothers are being influenced to be abusive, because she is probably being abused herself, by men and society?

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SweatyPie · 08/04/2021 11:31

Ive experienced this

In my case mostly a religious cultural thing. As you said, she made me, so I must be thankful to be alive. You can never question elders. Bible says this and that. Girls are wireless and don't grant the same status- they're just a byproduct of reproduction, trying to have a boy

Also, to do with not liking my dad (divorced) with new family.

Hoppinggreen · 08/04/2021 11:34

You’ve got some serious issues there OP

Hoppinggreen · 08/04/2021 11:35

[quote Sarahtrue11]@UhtredRagnarson But the women have started it, when those men were a child, so as an adult that traumatic dynamic is stlll there. those adult men are afraid of their mothers.

I look at my adult brother who is forty, and I feel really sad for him. He is unemployed, he has no friends, he has never had a girlfriend. He is convinced that he is a terrible person, and that no one would want him, because his mother has told him that he was a bad person since he was a young child.

The other adult men that I know are genuinely afraid of their mothers. There is a trauma bond created in their mind since childhood, that their mother is more important than them, and if they don't make her happy, she will yell at them.

I just think it is really sad.

I think it is a symptom of society at large today. That many women are being abused by men, so those women then abuse the weaker people close to them, to feel powerful, which is their children.[/quote]
So poor abusive men were made that way by their mothers?
Fucks sake, is there nothing that isn’t a women’s fault?

Insomnia5 · 08/04/2021 11:37

@UhtredRagnarson

But I think that one of the biggest abuses of power in the world today, is mother's abuse of their adult children.

Yes that is indeed the biggest abuse of power in the world today. Single women abusing adult men.

Yeh, couldn’t really get past that part. I’ve just spent a horrible ten minutes reading about how female infant mortality rates have gone through the roof during lockdown due to fgm infections. More parents are taking the opportunity to cut their children’s genitals off now that they have all this time off school so no one notices the pain the children are in. Irrelevant to this thread, perhaps. But I’d consider twatty mothers ‘forcing’ grown men to phone them every day pretty much one of the lowest forms of abuse..
megaann · 08/04/2021 11:41

Afghan mothers take this to new extremes. My husband doesn't obey his mother, he treats her with kindness but because his younger brothers basically jump if she says so, he's the scapegoat and considered "bad"

I completely agree with you OP

Sarahtrue11 · 08/04/2021 11:41

@SweatyPie Thanks for adding to the discussion. It is interesting to hear about your experience.

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CoalTit · 08/04/2021 11:43

More parents are taking the opportunity to cut their children’s genitals off...
That's relevant to a thread about maternal abuse.

TirisfalPumpkin · 08/04/2021 11:45

Wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s one of the biggest interpersonal problems in the world (vs femicide etc?) but fair to say that when we talk about adult parent-child relationships, the problem is disproportionately ‘difficult mother’. YANBU and I’d also be interested to understand why.

titchy · 08/04/2021 11:50

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titchy · 08/04/2021 11:51

#notallmen

OnwardsAndSideways1 · 08/04/2021 12:00

I don't agree with you that this is highly prevalent, or that it's about mothers, it's about parents, and when you have parents who are dominant and controlling over their children, they absolutely can abuse their power.

I know more people who had a scary dad, and I know more people physically abused by their dads (it was the 70's, beating with a belt wasn't uncommon). Emotional abuse, threats of suicide if the woman tried to leave, threatening the children, seen it all. So, I don't think it's about mothers vs fathers.

That said, of course when people are wrapped up in fear and obligation to their parents, and their parents are not nice people, this can happen. I think it stands out more in relation to women as mums are expected to be nurturing, kind, self-sacrificing and put their children first, and when they turn out to be selfish old boots, it can be hard to fully accept that. I know my husband's mother is not a nice person but it took me a while to accept that as I had a loving kind mother and so wasn't really alert to what an awful mum could be like.

SusannahSophia · 08/04/2021 12:03

Um, I’m a divorced parent of 3 adult men and I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about? I’m sure I’m not a perfect mother but my sons come to visit me and I them (when allowed by pandemic) fairly often. As in every couple of months. I think my experience is much, much more typical than yours.

lemonandlimes2 · 08/04/2021 12:09

I think people need to accept this happens.

Just as much as you can have a lovely mother, so many have abusive ones.

My DH's mother has manipulated her three children all their lives, financially and emotionally. It has left all three children with issues from drugs, to a severe lack of self confidence and inability to create boundaries.

lemonandlimes2 · 08/04/2021 12:10

Maybe gender needs to be taken out of it a little bit, and accept that some people just arnt nice to their children.

Redjumper1 · 08/04/2021 12:11

In some cultures, the Mother (and indeed the father) are considered more important and so this type of behavior is more common. I like that other posters don't know what you are talking about. I can think of at least three different men and two different women who have the Mothers you are describing and it has a profound negative impact on all of their lives. I can think of others that have a father like you describe so think it is more a "parent" issue than a mother one.

In all the instances, the woman/man are unhappy and have poor relationships with their partner or not at all and so their child is there primary source of adult company.

Mittens030869 · 08/04/2021 12:12

There is some truth in what the OP is saying. You only need to read some on the MIL threads on here to know that there are women who are controlling towards their adult children. And you can see it on the Stately Homes threads.

But there are reasons why women end up behaving like that. My DM can be controlling in the way she relates to my siblings and me. But she’s also been badly damaged by her early life, orphaned at 10 and then sexually abused by the uncle who became her guardian, which she never shared with anyone until later in life.

She also failed to protect my DSis and me from being sexually abused by our F. She didn’t know, however, and, looking back, I can see that she was a victim of his coercive control and abused emotionally and financially. He was paranoid as well, accusing her of cheating on him. (She won’t acknowledge this, though, she blames it all
on his Parkinson’s Disease and the medication he was on.) She also blames herself for what happened to us.

So yes, she certainly can be controlling. OTOH, I can understand how she’s ended up the way she is, as a result of abuse by the men in her life. So I blame my F rather than her for what happened to us as children. I’ve also found that by putting boundaries in place with my DM, I’m able to have her as part of my life (though we’re fairly low contact) and she can be Granny to my DDs. (It helps that my F is dead, obviously.)

I do think that she has been too protective over the years where my DB is concerned (he’s a very badly damaged adult at 53), but again, she’s doing it because she wants to do right by him.

Greenrubber · 08/04/2021 12:13

I get it OP
I know a woman who is single now and thinks all her sons should be around her all the time!
If something is said/done she doesn't like she will start to cry until she gets her own way.
She makes comments at all her sons partners and blames them for not seeing her sons enough.
And can't seem to realise her sons are busy and if they have not phoned her in a week she will go in the huff

But they don't seem to notice that she is being emotionally manipulative because they are just used to it

But this is only one woman I know I don't know anyone else who is as bad as her

loveheartss · 08/04/2021 12:13

OP, I think the questions you have asked in your post are the questions you should be asking your own mother rather than convincing yourself that this is a widespread issue.

I'm sorry that your mother has that attitude but I don't think it is reflective of the real world. Most single mothers I know have done an outstanding job of raising their children by themselves and have been nothing but loving and nurturing.

I also don't think this is a purely woman 'issue'. I think you would get a more reasonable discussion if you were debating parents in general who are controlling and abusive.

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