Page 14 | Aibu to hope that this is the start of a major backlash against SUVs?

gingganggooleywotsit · 2021-04-07T07:44:49+00:00

Just seen this on the BBC news website. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56647128]] It’s the first time I’ve ever seen anyone in motoring speak out publicly against suvs. I pray this is the start of a major backlash and rightly so! Before anyone says..”you’re jealous” as I usually see on these threads, I would just like to say-I could afford one myself but I wouldn’t be seen dead in one! Also I am only talking about city suvs. In the countryside/farming it’s of course a different matter.

jessstan2 · 09/04/2021 11:43

If you live out in the country a 4x4 is good for manoeuvring muddy roads and snow drifts.

Ginuwine · 09/04/2021 11:51

@jessstan2

If you live out in the country a 4x4 is good for manoeuvring muddy roads and snow drifts.

... indeed it is. Bears, woods etc.

However the article in the OP's post and many other examples in this thread refer to the ownership of large fuel consuming SUVs in urban areas.

As always these threads tend to get filled up with people who use their Nissan Patrols and Land Cruisers to tow a 3 ton horsebox 100 miles a week. If that is you, then SUVs are irrelevant as a car class - you've bought proper, 4x4s with torque and low range transfer boxes etc, and always have done.

The discussion is really around the diesel spewing, 2WD sporting Kia Sorrento, Qashqai + 2, Grandland, Kodiaq crew - and how they own these cars despite rarely venturing outside the city centre, let alone a muddy track.

lettinggoagain · 09/04/2021 14:18

@Macncheeseballs

Letyouagain , a future where you can't drive in cities would be great

In theory yes, it would be. Amsterdam was amazing when we went and is mainly bikes and trams. But on a larger scale, in cities that aren't as wonderful as Amsterdam there is more cynical reasonings behind this push to be carless. There is always a deeper reason. In this case, its to prevent ownership of medium- large financial assets so we own nothing and end up having to hire out stuff and rely on govt/big corporations services heavily and totally and at whatever price they choose. Just google the great reset - the slogan they are using to promote it is 'You will own nothing and you will be happy'. It's surprisingly obvious.

Macncheeseballs · 09/04/2021 14:24

Indeed I know all about the great reset but individual car ownership is not sustainable in big cities in the future, they are not used most of the time, car share/hire schemes are a much better idea or just get rid of them altogether

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/04/2021 14:30

Electric cars should be legally (and automatically) required to play a tinny version of Greensleeves or Fur Elise all the time when in motion, so that people know they're there - it seems to work well for ice-cream vans! Mark my words: before long, individual ringtones for cars will become A Thing

RickiTarr · 09/04/2021 14:34

I think they add fake engine noise, don’t they? They’re not silent.

RickiTarr · 09/04/2021 14:37

@Macncheeseballs

Indeed I know all about the great reset but individual car ownership is not sustainable in big cities in the future, they are not used most of the time, car share/hire schemes are a much better idea or just get rid of them altogether

Well I hope there will be a law that allows us cripples to enslave the gobshites who think we should be effectively banned from big cities.

We’ll need sedan chairs if some idiots think a blanket bans on cars are supportable.

lettinggoagain · 09/04/2021 14:44

@Macncheeseballs

Indeed I know all about the great reset but individual car ownership is not sustainable in big cities in the future, they are not used most of the time, car share/hire schemes are a much better idea or just get rid of them altogether

Appreciate that in cities its a bit pointless to drive, just the principal of banning things like that seems a bit draconian - they've had YEArS to help the environment with new innovation and policies, but instead done nothing, in fact things were just ignored. But now that people are financially crippled they start opening up the debates for things like this. Just annoys me and seems off lol

Macncheeseballs · 09/04/2021 14:59

Rickitarr, I'm talking about limiting car use in cities for able bodied people

RickiTarr · 09/04/2021 15:03

@Macncheeseballs

Rickitarr, I'm talking about limiting car use in cities for able bodied people

The problem is that some cities, like some online commentators, forget to mention disability exemption, even in their written proposals. I think it might have been Bristol who entirely forgot to make any exemption or provision for us at all when they launched their traffic limiting policy.

It’s getting wearing and a bit worrying.

ElephantsNest · 09/04/2021 15:11

I have to drive such a vehicle for work and unless someone lived deep in the countryside, it baffles me as to why anyone would choose one for city driving or a long commute.

WinterStrawbsAreLikeTurnip · 09/04/2021 15:19

I actually bought a Skoda fabia as it had a bigger boot and larger cabin space than some of these so called perfect family cars! The juke for example is tiny inside but a huge car outside. It's stupid.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 09/04/2021 15:23

*What worries me (and I'm not saying this is how your relative operates) is how many folk these days step out in front of a car that's clearly manoeuvring (reverse light is on) and expect that car to suddenly stop. I see people all the time in London just walk out into the road as a car is bearing down on them. Everything is then dependent on that car's awareness and reactions.

Finding a safe place to cross is what it used to be all about. Now it seems to be "cross, and let the driver deal with it".

This is a massive problem. I don't know what happened, but lately it's so much more common to see people put their head down and start crossing 10 meters away from a formal crossing. Bit of a "If I can't see the car, it can't hit me".
The worst are people who put pram in first because they know everyone will slam on the breaks. The amount of prams with first wheel in the road is ridiculous.

Incredible and dangerous dickheads on drivers and pedestrian's sides.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 09/04/2021 15:28

@Macncheeseballs

Rickitarr, I'm talking about limiting car use in cities for able bodied people

How will you determine the able bodied... Just look at the mess around mask exceptions. Imagine the mess around proving or not proving you are not able bodied "enough" not to need that car...

Stellaris22 · 09/04/2021 15:33

It's very common now to see people just not looking before they cross. Either on their phones or just walking straight out into the road. I see people crossing when there is a pedestrian crossing maybe 2-3m away to cross more safely.

The people I really don't get are those who stand at a crossing without pressing the button, do they think the traffic will stop quicker?

I don't think blaming electric cars is right for them being quiet. Yes, drivers should be aware, but basic common sense is to be aware as a pedestrian.

RickiTarr · 09/04/2021 15:36

How will you determine the able bodied... Just look at the mess around mask exceptions. Imagine the mess around proving or not proving you are not able bodied "enough" not to need that car...

Yes another good point.

lettinggoagain · 09/04/2021 15:52

@RickiTarr

How will you determine the able bodied... Just look at the mess around mask exceptions. Imagine the mess around proving or not proving you are not able bodied "enough" not to need that car...

Yes another good point.

Exactly! I sniff bull with all these new rules and regs banning things. Look at the entourage politicians and the elites get when they are travelling through cities, do they really need 5 vehicles infront and behind them? Surely they are the worst polluters?? But will they be allowed to continue while we all have our vehicles taken off us, yes.

In about 10 years time driving a vehicle will become a thing only the elite will be 'allowed' to do.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 09/04/2021 16:03

Tbf to people talking about electric cars being quiet being a problem. I also usually listen up for cars, especially when about to cross and can't properly see around the corner.

Maybe a manufacturers should add some sound effects.
Imagine stopping and hearing ever so faint "oops I did it again" getting closer Now that would make people look properly

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/04/2021 16:13

How will you determine the able bodied... Just look at the mess around mask exceptions. Imagine the mess around proving or not proving you are not able bodied "enough" not to need that car...

Absolutely. There's an offensive widespread school of thought that people are either helplessly disabled with no agency or ability to do things on their own or otherwise completely fit, completely able-bodied young people. As well as the actually severely disabled people who battle daily with this nasty discrimination, there's a wide spectrum of people who, through other disabilities, frailties, older age etc., simply cannot just run into town on foot without difficulty - and these people are NOT lazy for wanting to get on with their lives without huge discomfort, distress and exhaustion.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/04/2021 16:14

Imagine stopping and hearing ever so faint "oops I did it again" getting closer grin Now that would make people look properly

Jedward or the Cheeky Girls - pedestrians wouldn't go within a mile

RickiTarr · 09/04/2021 16:28

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

How will you determine the able bodied... Just look at the mess around mask exceptions. Imagine the mess around proving or not proving you are not able bodied "enough" not to need that car...

Absolutely. There's an offensive widespread school of thought that people are either helplessly disabled with no agency or ability to do things on their own or otherwise completely fit, completely able-bodied young people. As well as the actually severely disabled people who battle daily with this nasty discrimination, there's a wide spectrum of people who, through other disabilities, frailties, older age etc., simply cannot just run into town on foot without difficulty - and these people are NOT lazy for wanting to get on with their lives without huge discomfort, distress and exhaustion.

Exactly this.

Not to mention the almost unmanageable stage between onset of symptoms and official diagnosis that many people experience and can go on for years. Throughout that period there’s usually no “proof” of disability available to produce.

Then there’s the question of how you’d administrate proof of age-related frailty. Blanket age cut off? Or create a lot of red tape processing age related applications for permission to use a car?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/04/2021 16:36

Somebody started a thread on here a little while ago to mock people who 'self-identify' as disabled - as if you get a government certificate to declare that you are (which you must display in public at all times to justify yourself) and, if you haven't been given one, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with you.

RickiTarr · 09/04/2021 16:48

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

Somebody started a thread on here a little while ago to mock people who 'self-identify' as disabled - as if you get a government certificate to declare that you are (which you must display in public at all times to justify yourself) and, if you haven't been given one, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with you.

🙄

I suppose it’s a bit like going through the looking glass. Unless you’ve experienced it, as disabled person or carer, you don’t get it.

It was bad enough waiting for an autism dx for one of my DC, but I remember being in the phone to the blue badge department of the council one day about an appeal saying “I can’t walk properly, or for more than a few steps. Nobody knows why yet. I have to work. I have to drive to work. What are people in my situation supposed to do?!”

Then I read about the severely disabled children who never get dx because their conditions are so rare. They just get a description of symptoms in the end. Awful.

I have got to the point now that glib afterthoughts of “There will be disability exemptions” drive me mad, though.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 09/04/2021 16:50

@ElephantsNest

I have to drive such a vehicle for work and unless someone lived deep in the countryside, it baffles me as to why anyone would choose one for city driving or a long commute.

Maybe because they like it.

Macncheeseballs · 09/04/2021 17:48

Able bodied or not, is slightly derailing the point of the thread