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School calling children piglets?

370 replies

GoToSleepBabyPlease · 03/04/2021 18:37

Came across this on another thread but felt discussing it there would constitute a derail, so bringing it up here.

On a school website (link below):

'To make table manners fun at Hanford we have devised the ‘Manners Table’, a ranking system of eleven different levels with ‘Piglet’ at the bottom and ‘Royal Guest’ at the top. Each level has a different name to describe the behaviour, for example, a messy eater will be a ‘Panda’ or even ‘Cave Lady’ whereas those girls who have mastered dining rather than merely eating will be a ‘Favourite Auntie’ or ‘Best Granny’. When new girls join they start somewhere in the middle with the aim of working their way up as quickly as possible. If they should become a ‘Royal Guest’ they are allowed to bring their own jam to breakfast. Every Friday after lunch, Miss Morrey reads out the week’s manners rankings. If a girl is moved up then they are given a sweet while others may be warned or some even moved down.

  1. Royal Guest (allowed to bring their own jam or other spread and can also move people up and down)
  2. Best Granny (allowed to move people up and down in manners)
  3. Favourite Aunty
  4. Primrose
  5. Panda
  6. Cat (can go to Tuck Shop on Sunday)
  7. Squirrel
  8. Hyena
  9. Boa Constrictor
  10. Cave Lady
10. Piglet'

AIBU to think that referring to children as piglets doesn't exactly model good manners?

hanfordschool.co.uk/wellbeing/manners/

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GoToSleepBabyPlease · 03/04/2021 18:51

@Bunnybigears

Honestly I think Piglet is one of the better descriptions on the list. I dont like the idea of Best Granny, Favourite Aunty etc. I take it this is an all girls private school?
I believe so, yes.
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ineedaholidaynow · 03/04/2021 18:52

I am assuming any school that allows the pupil to bring their own pony is a private school

Nightbear · 03/04/2021 18:53

It’s a girls’ boarding prep that takes day pupils.

Puffykins · 03/04/2021 18:53

I went to this school! (and ended up a Best Grannie) - it's actually really well done, and yes it is about manners but it's also about thinking of others, asking if they'd like more water, eating tidily to minimise clearing up etc. And it's a small school so it's not hard to do. There is no bullying involved. And it's very, VERY rare that anyone is made a piglet - I was there for 5 years and I think that it happened once (and that girl is fine. And one of my in real life best friends.) I try to teach my own children the same manners that we were taught to have at school (though I don't move them up and down a chart!) DD wants to go here though, so . . .

SionnachRua · 03/04/2021 18:53

Also, is this Hanford school in the same place as the infamous Hanford Parish Council? Must be something weird in the water there Grin

ineedaholidaynow · 03/04/2021 18:54

@Soontobe60 that could be because some of the buildings are old and can't cater for wheelchairs etc.

SavingsQuestions · 03/04/2021 18:54

Looks ripe for bullying to me.

I guess its entrenching a hierarchical rule driven elitist system...funny that!

SmileEachDay · 03/04/2021 18:54

They can bring their own jam... that’s not very normal.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Randomname85 · 03/04/2021 18:54

‘Everyone has a set bedtime and must be in bed and quiet fifteen minutes before lights are due to be turned off – this is an excellent time to settle down and read a book, knit or write a letter.’

This can’t be real life 😂

DenisetheMenace · 03/04/2021 18:55

I think you somehow accidentally stumbled into 1942.

Do they encourage unaccompanied camping holidays in caves on Devonshire Islands, investigating foreign spies and eating hard boiled eggs washed down with lashings of ginger beer, too?

Bluetrews25 · 03/04/2021 18:57

No, the council is Handforth (Cheshire)

Foxhasbigsocks · 03/04/2021 18:58

I don’t like this

Puffykins · 03/04/2021 18:59

Also, regarding the inclusivity for children who are disabled; the school is in a listed Tudor manor house and the classrooms are in the old coach houses and girls have to climb in and out through the windows. However I have no doubt that if someone really wanted to go to the school who couldn't manage that, the school would do all they could to facilitate that.

Randomname85 · 03/04/2021 18:59

Boarding schools make me sad.

Soontobe60 · 03/04/2021 18:59

It gets better!
When it comes to sport for girls it’s about finding the perfect fit. Boys pick up a ball instinctively and, while a lot of girls will too, some may need a bit more direction
Got a shy daughter? The perfect solution.
At various events throughout the year such as: the Carol Service, the Portman Hunt Meet and the Pimpernel Beagles’ visit, we encourage girls to act as hostesses, handing round food and drink. Being given a tray of delicious eats can help even the quietest girl overcome her natural shyness and help her to grow in confidence

SionnachRua · 03/04/2021 19:00

@Bluetrews25

No, the council is Handforth (Cheshire)
Ah ok. I'm not British so I saw the name Hanford and went "that looks familiar!".
Soontobe60 · 03/04/2021 19:01

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@Soontobe60 that could be because some of the buildings are old and can't cater for wheelchairs etc.[/quote]
So they should adapt them - thats what every other school does. What if a pupil became disabled whist there, would they just turf them out? Not all children with disabilities needs a wheelchair.

Pinchoftums · 03/04/2021 19:01

Handforth and handford are world's apart!

GoToSleepBabyPlease · 03/04/2021 19:01

Do they encourage unaccompanied camping holidays in caves on Devonshire Islands, investigating foreign spies and eating hard boiled eggs washed down with lashings of ginger beer, too?

Grin Don't forget the potted meat sandwiches and barley sugar!
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Fandabydosey · 03/04/2021 19:01

I don't like that they're suggesting children are piglets. However table manners seems to be a thing of the past. Plenty of my children's friends came to our house for tea and had no idea how to eat at a dinner table. Using fingers, chewing with their mouth open, no pleases or thank yous. Table manners are important in my opinion

HeronLanyon · 03/04/2021 19:03

margaret I too assume some kind of April fool thing.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 03/04/2021 19:03

I mean, it's an utterly bizarre thing to do, but despite my best efforts my DC do eat like piglets.

AtleastitsnotMonday · 03/04/2021 19:03

That system has been in place for ages. Definitely not a new addition. Although no personal experience of Hanford, I know many who adore it for its very old fashioned, traditional ways. But I’d imagine it’s one of those things that has just always been and no one has stepped back and looked at it with 21st century glasses.

Dingleydel · 03/04/2021 19:03

I always thought that place was creepy as hell (live nearby). It strikes me as some sort of weird finishing school.

sadpapercourtesan · 03/04/2021 19:03

It is bizarre, to normal sensible parents. But we know that parents who pay absurd sums of money for these exclusive prep schools aren't paying for better education. They're paying for the social veneer of the privately educated child and the superficial advantages over others that it confers. This is an interesting glimpse behind the scenes at how these schools achieve that. I find it revolting, personally.