Concerned about having second jab of AstraZeneca

[LuluJakey1]

I have read all of the stuff about AstraZeneca and blood clots and felt the EU was making a fuss about something the WHO and EMA were saying was not a significant issue.
However, I have become increasingly worried over the last few days when further reports have emerged. They are all linked to AstraZeneca, not to Pfizer.
This is in The Independent which is the first time I have read of the medical profession here recognising it as an issue and warning Drs about it.
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clotting-doctors-b1826144.html
It raises some very interesting points.

I am worried about having the second jab. I am now feeling the government are trying to sweep it under the table' because they have bought so many doses and could not vaccinate everyone without using AZ.
AIBU to be considering not having the second jab?

What I would like to do is leave it for a while and then have two doses of Pfizer. Does anyone know if that is even medically possible?

@LEMtheoriginal From all the news and articles I read, I think the people who have clots from the vaccine will be the people who will have had or had clots from the virus. Because I think there will be a link with how the body reacts to each of them. So if you've had covid but didn't get clots, I think you'll be ok with your AZ vaccine

So don’t have the second jab. No one is forcing you. I assure you there are plenty of people here who would happily take your place to vaccinated ASAP.

Based on current figures its at most a 1 in 600,000 chance of developing a rare blood clot after the jab. Meanwhile in over 4million cases of covid19 in the UK, tens of thousands of people have died.

Do you know the chances of rare blood clots in the general population?

A close family member has worked on call in hospitals throughout covid. Many people who die from covid 19 actually die from clotting problems which are well known to be caused by the coronavirus.

Whatever you decide, stop spreading the scare mongering nonsense. Keep the crazy to yourself

30 people out of 18 million doses have a blood clot.

That's actually lower than the numbers pre Covid of those who would develop a clot. In fact, someone in the western world dies every 37 seconds of a blood clot.

There is NO evidence that the blood clots are related to the vaccine.

Scare mongering at its finest - please get your vaccines!!

Depends if you’re willing not to receive any NHS treatment if you catch covid, something we know definitely does kill. Millions.

Oh and my dear aunt passed away in November from a blood clot after being hospitalised with Covid.

The Likelihood is she wouldn't have been hospitalised if she had her vaccine. She may still be here if she had.

Get your vaccines.

Does anyone know if it is possible for me to wait a while and have a full course of Pfizer?

No. You cannot choose which vaccine you have and no one is entitled to three. Grow up.

A PP said that you would know within 20 days whether you will suffer a blood clot or not. I genuinely couldn't go through 20 days of that worry. I would just be on tenterhooks waiting to drop down dead. It would be awful. I'm waiting for Pzifer one.

PlanBea

1 in 1,000 people in the UK will have a blood clot every year.

1 in 600,000 will have a blood clot after AstraZeneca.

They should just about be giving out the vaccine to prevent blood clots with these kinds of statistics.

You are comparing apples with pears here and you clearly have no understanding of statistics.

I think you’re being really silly. If you were fine after the 1st jab then why should the 2nd be any different?

I’ve had 8 lots of blood clots

Stomach. Lungs. Spleen. Heart. Brain. Arm. Stroke.

My list goes on. I knew of this condition before. However it’s actually seen more often in people who are on clexane. Or heparin. Are you on either of those? Does blood conditions run in your family? Do you take the pill? Do you stay in a car for longer than an hour? Do you sit in your sofa to watch a tv?

All of these can cause blood clots. However are you on blood thinners? Have you had ITP? Low platelets before?

@identitytalks

I'm not getting any COVID vaccines. Absolutely not, I would have before but I have severe health anxiety and of course brain aneurysms are my biggest fear. I genuinely would rather die of COVID than risk having a blood clot in my brain.

I’ve had a blood clot in my brain

I’m still here! Alive and kicking. I’d rather that than COVID weirdly.

@identitytalks I’d be much more worried about covid! And what a drain on the NHS if you do catch it. You have no right to ask for the Pfizer. And no doubt they’ll be some side effects of that before we know it. But covid does kill. No question. Get the vaccine

Lorieandrews
While i'm glad you're still here, i lost a dear friend aged 39 who had the same and who didn't... less then 24 hrs after going to A&E with a headache and being sent home with Paracetamol.
So your argument does nothing for me.

I did a little digging and found this in a journal

Overall, 75% of CVST occur in women (Ferro et al., 2004). Known risk factors for CVST include oral contraceptives, hypercoagulability, infection, malignancy, and pregnancy (Ferro et al., 2004)

There is no causal link with AZ vaccine been made so far.

I have a blood clotting disorder and am very happy to have had the vaccine and will be having the second.

How can you all be so relaxed with the risks.

@Jangle33 why don't I have the right to ask for pzifer? If I'm willing to wait long enough then I'm sure it won't be a problem.

@Lorieandrews glad you survived! What did it feel like may I ask?

However, emerging evidence suggests that some cases of post-vaccination CVST have unusual features, including low blood platelets, male sex (CVST is typically more common in females), a usually rare type of antibody to platelet-factor 4 (PF-4), and a high risk of severe clots. This raises the possibility that the vaccine could be a causal factor in these rare and unusual cases of CVST, though we don’t know this yet, so more research is urgently needed.

www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-latest-weekly-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting-following-covid-19-vaccination-published-by-the-mhra-including-updated-numbers-of-cerebral-venous-sinus-thrombosis-cvst-and-other/

How can you all be so relaxed with the risks.

Because quick read clearly shows there is bigger chance of serious complications from covid than from AZ. It's not being relaxed. It's weighting up the options.

That report from the Independent is misleading. I’m a GP and we get info about potential drug reactions all the time. It’s nothing sinister and certainly doesn’t mean the drug is a secret killer.
I think the risks of the AZ vaccine are way lower than the risks of many other things you probably do regularly, and certainly less risky than Covid. But if you don’t want it, don’t have it. Plenty of people will take your place.

@identitytalks

How can you all be so relaxed with the risks.

@Jangle33 why don't I have the right to ask for pzifer? If I'm willing to wait long enough then I'm sure it won't be a problem.

@Lorieandrews glad you survived! What did it feel like may I ask?

My guess that that the government are only planning to buy enough vaccine for the designated population to have their 2 injections. I doubt they’ll buy in extra Pfizer for the people who are twitchy about AZ. But it may be that you can buy it privately some time in the future.

Just had the second dose of Astra Zeneca this week - and very happy and grateful to have had this.

Get on with it OP. Stop being illogical and over anxious.

Or just don't have the second jab - no one else could give a sh

Then don't have it and let someone, who realises the actual risk, have the dose. If you've ever been on a plane, had the contraceptive pill and so on; you were at greater risk then but still did it.

@LuluJakey1

I empathise with your concern.

Both my mum and brother died of blood clotting related issues, 35/36 respectively. As pfizer is also available - i am 'trying' to get this jab.

I have spoken to my GP, who understood but were unable to sort out my pfizer jab directly owing to lots of red tape where i live so i was advised to go through the NHS booking system. Here in the midlands they are prioritising all pfizer for second jabs so i can only get the az - i just have to keep on logging on to the nhs system hoping a centre can give me the pfizer jab.

@20:16identitytalks

Because I have an education and have looked into it. Honestly you anti vax types really need to look into things you've already taken and been on. It's scary that you cling on to 30 people out of millions.

I know the risk of blood clot is small with the az jab, but so was the death of my mum and brother by a blood clot.

We're bloody lucky here in the UK. We are the first population to be offered safe Covid vaccines, free of charge.

I've no sympathy whatever for someone believing fake news on social media or elsewhere instead of following the genuine statistics of safe vaccinations.
It's stupid and selfish not to have the jabs.