Poor wee screaming baby forced to get her ears pierced!

[Rumpel]

I heard a wee baby screaming today and passed by Claire's shitey accessories to see a LO of about 12 months, bright red and hysterical having her ears pierced whilst her Mother just stood like a doughball watching. It made me red and and very, very sad.

I think piercing babies ears should be outlawed in this country. No freedom of choice for baby is there?

Not because I think it is chavy (which I do) but because it is not the child's choice, they have more chance of infection, scarring, tearing, hole closing up etc.

The more times you get your ears pierced = the more scar tissue= more complications. I had a client once whose lobes were split into 3 different pieces because of this - please I implore you - let it be your child's choice.

daniel,are you having a laugh???

sorry not read whole thread - but there was another on this very subject a week or so ago which I posted on.

The more I think about it, the more revolted and appalled I am that this is legal.

It shouldn't be simply one of those things that we tut at, but allow to pass. It's child abuse! Don't care whether cultural or not! Don't care whether worse things are going on in the world!

Any of you anti's want to start a petition? Either for law change or to Clare's Accessories?

daniel
Tell Me You Are Having A Laugh.

Do you know what tongue piercing is for/signifies?

So are you going to start a petition so that it is also banned in Spain and various other countries?

Umm, no. Thought I might start with UK first, and more likely with Clare's Accessories.

We don't allow children to have tattoos here (though partly because they can't understand 'forever') and there's already a certain amount of 'cultural' disapproval. So I think it would be achievable, and within a short space of time.

Agree it would be harder to achieve quickly in a country where there is a strong tradition. But that doesn't mean it's not worth doing, or that we should be afraid of lobbying for it simply because it is traditional imo. Was this your drift?

I remember many years ago watching a coven of witches women carrying this little toddler into the hairdressers where I was having my hair cut. They held her whilst her ears were pierced and she screamed in terror. Why? If it was for an immunisation I can see why you might feel it was worth the pain and fear, but for a f*ing earring????

I'll just clarify that the tradition in Spain is to have this done soon after birth, and not later for obvious reasons.
As for the pain, I think you are exagerating this a weeny bit. First, it is a pain that kids and adults choose to suffer later in life by their own volition, -they even pay for it, and have even more than one piercing done-. So I wouldn't even dream of comparing it with genital mutilation, not wanting to offend the thousands of women who suffer that vile procedure.
As for the judgements seen here on aesthetics... well, they just lack the perspective. If you lived in a country where most little girls have pierced ears you would soon stop being so "revolted".

I am always gobsmacked by the hoo-ha over this subject.

bonitaMia
Not revolted by aesthetics, but by inflicting pain on newborn!

Bonita in your post on Tue 13-Nov-07 14:06:38 you say:
I'll just clarify that the tradition in Spain is to have this done soon after birth, and not later for obvious reasons.

Erm, what are those obvious reasons again, to inflict such pain onto a Newborn? Please don't tell me, that in Spain people believe that Newborns don't feel pain as we do once we grow up, or such silly thing!

I think Daniel Johnston might be a troll....what with his reply on another thread about being a condom tester and then on here saying about an 11 year old getting a tongue piercing and now asking for a tattoo for x-mas

ive always been a bit, well ok a lot about people piercing babies ears. what i really hate is when they say (or they used to when i were a lass) well they won't remember, get the pain out of the way now and they won't have to go through it later'

that always makes me gawp in disbelief. you're basically mutilating your child's ears for aesthetic reasons and they don't get any say in the matter...jeez

i wasn't allowed to have my ears pierced till 16. i think that's going a bit far, mind.

off the subject but I went to see the real life Daniel Johnston in concert once, and he was absolute rubbish.

My sisters godson (now just 18) apparently has somthing like 24 piercings .

AND his parents have paid for him to go on a course to learn how to do it, so now he does piercings for his mates. He practices his 'art' in their conservatory.

Oh, and to the OP, I think it is utterly unreasonable to pierce a baby, anywhere. I agree, it should be outlawed

I hope you have all clicked the link on the previous page to sign up for the petition to outlaw it in children under 2!

They bloody well shouldn't be allowed to do anyone underage at Claire's flaming accessories. The chances of infection etc are enough to make one shudder. Same rules should apply as do to tattoo parlours.

I also completely agree about the piercing babies' ears thing. Borders on child abuse in my book.

petitions signed

I can't stand seeing babies with pierced ears! Chavvy, chavvy, chavvy!

as much as I dont like it. The simple fact is I cant do anything about it but, Thankfully God can. He will repair her tenderly beautifully fleshy ears, as soon as the child gets a conscience of her own!!!

They have even outlawed having dogs tailed docs because it's cruel (and sorry dog lovers)and these are humans we are taling about - agree should be illegal...

sleepdeprived, you have raised a really excellent point here. I used to be a member of the anti docking alliance, as i am fundamentally opposed to tail docking, even by a vet - ive seen it done and its awful. There was a recent veterinary paper published, and i cant unfortunately remember what it was called, that stated that tail docking was particularly cruel done in three day old pups, as contrary to the previous belief that because the nervous system isnt fully developed at this stage the pups feel less pain, the study actually showed that they feel more pain, this is due to the fact that any neurotransmitters that would normally send the brain messages to release endorphins are also not fully developed at this stage, or at least the neurons that release them are not. So, the upshot from that is that they actually feel the pain more acutely. I found this really upsetting. It makes me wonder then if tiny babies subjected to this form of abuse would also be the same, of course humans DO develop differently from humans, it is food for thought.

bloody clever lucyellensmum - it certainly is food for thought.
I also thought that the fact that newborns have been in a fluid environment with very little friction means that they are very, very sensitive immediately after being expelled into the world of touch.

(which doesn't mean I feel any less strongly about one year olds..)

Rumpel - apols for double-up re petition - yes, I'll sign it!

but can't find it on the link.. or am I being stupid?

Onbatmother - use the link, then the search facility for 'ear piercing'. HTH