To think that this merits an exclusion

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A student in my child's class today (Y8 in a comprehensive, if that's important) called the teacher a c*nt and swore at them because they'd used the behaviour policy.

Apparently the student has been given a day's isolation in school. I'm surprised - would you think this would merit an exclusion?

Unfortunately if you excluded every pupil who swore at a teacher you'd never have many kids in school. It's a shame really.

Sanctions given to someone else's child are never your business. You have no idea what the wider circumstances are or what other behaviour management there is in place.

No, I don't think that merits an exclusion tbh.

Doesn’t surprise me.

As part of an escalating consequence, internal isolation is fine. If repeated, the punishment should be more severe.

Gosh, I take it that you haven't been in a school for some years?

Behaviour can be dire. I'm sure not all schools are the same, the one I work in, that is a common occurrence, sadly.

Never would have happened when I was at school. Would have been isolation which is hoe my school dealt with a lot of things. Imagine excluding every child who swore at a teacher? I wasn't the greatest of students so did spend quite alot of time in trouble but never enough to be excluded, I think for an exclusion especially when it comes to secondary school it really does have to be quite serious.

In our school - that would be about right. External exclusions would be for physical violence.

I think at least a day external exclusion .. I am a secondary teacher and would be appalled if not. Doesn't say much about treatment of staff by leadership. Different if they use the language but not directed at teacher

Ex pastoral lead here. I think that warrants a suspension, but schools like to keep their suspension/exclusion rates down. Never looks good for ofsted. Our local MP is against all exclusions. She’s idealistic and doesn’t live in the real world. There are many kids that simply shouldn’t be in school, they are a safeguarding risk to other children and staff.

Personally I definitely think it merits an exclusion for a day at least. But in some schools senior leadership are very weak on behaviour and standards sadly.

Would be a days exclusion in the school I worked in.

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Yep, I had year 11 lads booting my door in and calling me a bitch, and this was despite the CCTV outside of my office.

Called for SLT on my radio and was met with deafening silence. A lot of schools are completely out of their depth in regards to behaviour.

For a sweary rant? No, it would be a direct route to pastoral support and a potential SG flag.

Well, I'd certainly think a suspension. Calling a teacher a C ffs (presumably having already misbehaved hence the use of the "behavior policy").

Can't recall anyone doing that when I was at school (not a million years ago and there were some little shits!)

What does your child's school's behaviour policy say would merit an exclusion? If the policy says direct swearing at a teacher should be dealt with by a fixed term exclusion then fair enough, you may well feel the school may not have responded as you would expect. However, you weren't there, it's not your child and it doesn't sound as though you are overly familiar with the actual policy so YABU.

In one school I worked in that would be a fixed term exclusion unless there were some extenuating circumstances, which were far and few between.

In another school I worked in the teacher would probably be called into meeting with an ineffective member of SLT where it would be strongly suggested that they were responsible for getting themselves verbally abused by not understanding that the student doesn't like being challenged. Or SLT might issue a internal exclusion if you were lucky enough to get an SLT member who acknowledged the policy existed. The internal exclusion area was comparable to a youth club where students would enjoy moaning about staff to the behaviour staff and was a no go zone for SLT.

One school was excellent and retained staff, the other didn't.

Who knows the wider context of the child. Easy to be judgey on a snapshot.

Well times have changed! Swearing at the staff got a girl excluded from one of my schools, and then it was suggested she “might be happier elsewhere”. This was a comp, so please no posts saying it was rarified. They had really strict rules.

25 years ago I expect a lot more children were expelled from school.

In what way is this any concern of yours or any of your business?

not a million years ago and there were some little shits!

Yes education has changed over the years, moved away from caning and now moved on to looking to support each child’s needs social and emotional needs as well as their education because obviously the first two will impact the third.
This is a good thing I think.

A day in isolation is probably more of a punishment. If they are excluded they might be able to lie on their bed and play x box etc

Depends on any needs and what is going on in the childs life.
You need all the info to decide.

Day in isolation here, unless they can convince the head of year that 'they weren't swearing AT you, they just swore', then they just get some behaviour points.

The likelihood of the convincing depends on lots of factors including which head of year, which pupil, and how important the teacher they swore at is.

Obviously actual mitigating circumstances also taken into account at the time.