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The next door neighbour, the new fence and the question - are we being unreasonable?

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zazas · 28/03/2021 21:33

This is a strange one (well for us at least!) - not sure if anything that has been done is not ‘OK' but it’s very weird…and a bit annoying and of course checking that we not just being unreasonable?!

Our next door neighbour moved in about 7 months ago. Our properties share a retaining wall that is at the back our house and at the side of their garden. At one end, the wall is only about 2 feet tall and the other end, as the garden slopes up is about 7 feet tall - the top of the wall is level with their garden. It is a little bit of a strange set up due to it being previous farmland / cottages (from the 1840s) so the plots are not uniform (as per my diagram). We have lived here 13 years and the previous owner of the neighbour's house didn't replace a small trellis style, 3 ft fence when it blew down about 10 years ago. That fence was placed on her land inside the retaining wall.

The back of our house overlooks their garden completely (as do the other houses) which is not ideal for them but it is the way it is. When they moved in we introduced ourselves and in his words, "You seem like a nice lady, I might not then build a 2 metre fence then." We had no concerns with them building a fence as obviously they also overlook our back garden when they are in their garden.

Now he has built the fence - absolutely fine.

However this is where we are confused...he has built the fence about 2 feet away from the actual retaining wall - the actual edge of his property. Even more perplexing is that he hasn't actually taken the fence right up to the wall at the end of the garden leaving about 3 feet that is open to his garden (as in the picture from our window). Once again we were, 'OK, strange but hey ho." However now he has started to come behind the wall and dump his garden rubbish in the space between the wall and the retaining wall. At first it was just an extra concrete pole left over from the fence, then it was small rocks from the flower beds he was clearing out, then it was uprooted plants and twigs, then large slates and general small bits of rubbish - plastic bits from gardening supplies etc. It now looks quite the mess and the dumped stuff is actually starting to be in places higher than the retaining wall.

To top it all off our window from the dining end of the kitchen overlooks this part of the wall and as our house is only a few feet away from it, not only do we see the dumped stuff we also were granted recently the delight of him going into that space while we were having lunch and dumping it - and with him being two feet higher on his land, when he bent over (he wears no underwear and he wears his joggers hanging off so most of his butt is exposed) we were given a right eye fill! The fact my daughter has to look at his exposed butt from her window whenever he’s in the garden is another story!

Ignoring the butt view, it is the fence not up to the boundary, the gap and the dumping that is just so strange!

We really don't want talk to him if we can help it. When he moved it we explained (neighbourly kindly) that if he parked his large van on the small road, to be aware that often large delivery / oil trucks drive down it and wouldn’t get through. He got really aggressive and said that no one tells what to do. We just left it…Other than that no interaction.

So do we ignore him and the rising mound of rubbish. Do we just take it away ourselves so to keep it level and OK to look at? Or do we also put up a fence to block him / keep the mess out? If we do, do we erect it against the retaining wall on our side or do we put it on top of the retaining wall or on the top edge of the retaining wall - where he should have built the wall originally. Or are we just unreasonable and it is his land, can do what he wants and we need to just live with it?

The next door neighbour, the new fence and the question - are we being unreasonable?
The next door neighbour, the new fence and the question - are we being unreasonable?
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justanotherneighinparadise · 28/03/2021 21:39

I think all you can do is block him out with your own fence.

zazas · 28/03/2021 21:48

Yep I am thinking that might be the only solution too - not what we had planed to do the summer!

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TooBored1 · 28/03/2021 21:50

So basically he's made a nice clean fence for him to look at and is just dumping all his rubbish for you to look at?

Technically, he can do that but what a shit thing to do.

Whoopsmahoot · 28/03/2021 21:50

If I understand your post correctly he’s dumping stuff on his property in which case there is nothing you can do but build a fence.

stackemhigh · 28/03/2021 21:50

You've got to nip this in the bid before it becomes a dump and attracts rats etc.

If he gets aggressive, call the police.

Is the fence 2m into your property?

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/03/2021 21:53

Our neighbour also did this with his new fence. I suspect because he didn’t know who owned the boundary line. It’s now a dead zone full of brambles which are coming over onto our garden.

You need to put up your own fence on your wall

zazas · 28/03/2021 21:56

It is all on his land so not on ours at all - but we get to look at it - not him! It is pretty shitty behaviour isn't it?! I don't think the police will be interested some how...but yes the rats might!

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Midlifelady · 28/03/2021 21:56

Put a fence up as close to the retaining wall as possible. If it's a shared wall you can't build on top of it without mutual agreement.

HedgeSparrows · 28/03/2021 21:57

Grow a beech hedge rather than put up a fence. Hedges are much more attractive, easy on the eye and much better for wildlife.

user1493494961 · 28/03/2021 21:57

If the rubbish is on his land you can't move it. Put your own fence up to hide it but make sure it's on your land.

Easterbunnygettingready · 28/03/2021 21:58

Environment health and say you have seen rats.

zazas · 28/03/2021 22:01

@Midlifelady

Put a fence up as close to the retaining wall as possible. If it's a shared wall you can't build on top of it without mutual agreement.
I am guessing it is a shared wall. There will still be just enough room if we put up a fence for him to squeeze into continued dump stuff unfortunately...
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zazas · 28/03/2021 22:02

@HedgeSparrows

Grow a beech hedge rather than put up a fence. Hedges are much more attractive, easy on the eye and much better for wildlife.
We would if we could but there is not quite enough room between the walls of the house and the retaining wall - maybe plants trailed up the fence would be a solution?
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UhtredRagnarson · 28/03/2021 22:04

Yeah thats really shitty of him. Is the retaining wall his or yours? If it’s yours you can build your fence on top of the wall. If it’s his you’ll have to build your fence as close to the wall as you can and probably make it around 7/8ft high to cover his arse when he is standing on the wall.

CovidCorvid · 28/03/2021 22:05

I’d put a bigger/higher fence up.....at whatever point is easier/best for you. On top of the wall or right up against it.

Hes already shown he’s an arsehole if he thinks someone is telling him what to do.

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/03/2021 22:06

You might be able to tell who own the wall if you check your title plan at the land registry. It only costs about £3. The plan will often show with an inward T who is responsible fir the boundary. He obviously thinks it’s yours

Hellodarknessmyoldpal · 28/03/2021 22:07

I agreez block him out with a fence. Very shitty behaviour even if it is technically within his rights.

Grrr202154 · 28/03/2021 22:07

Definitely erect a fence and grow something up it. He sounds like a right wanker and one to avoid probably xxx

Lochmorlich · 28/03/2021 22:08

Grow the prickliest hedge that you can.
He will stop dumping stuff if he keeps getting scratched!

LindsayDenton79 · 28/03/2021 22:10

I'd put up a really high fence and paint CUNT on his side of it

SoWhyNot · 28/03/2021 22:11

YABU but I can completely see why it annoys you and it would me as well. I’d probably put up another fence right at the side of your boundary. Although if he is dumping stuff there, the likelihood is the space between two fences will just give him a higher space to fill. If he puts anything edible in there, he will be inviting rodents in and I’d also be concerned about the rubbish rotting the bottoms of fence panels.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 28/03/2021 22:19

A hawthorn hedge (very ouchy) would grow there.

CloudFormations · 28/03/2021 22:24

I don’t have any advice but wanted to tell you that is hands down the best diagram I’ve ever seen on mumsnet

zazas · 28/03/2021 22:24

OK I have looked at the title plans and there is no T - maybe all too old. I think with retaining walls they are joint owned - so does that mean we could put up a fence down the middle of the wall do you think?

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zazas · 28/03/2021 22:26

@CloudFormations

I don’t have any advice but wanted to tell you that is hands down the best diagram I’ve ever seen on mumsnet
Ahhh thanks - that I can do is draw a diagram!
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