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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not want a relationship with this man?

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MeridasMum · 28/03/2021 14:26

I'm braving AIBU for this as I genuinely need to know if I'm in the wrong here or not. I think I'm too close to see it but please be kind. My intentions are only to be fair. It's long...

I have 2 step-brothers as my DM remarried when I was in my 20s after all the ‘children’ had moved out. This is relevant as it demonstrates I’ve never lived with nor had a sibling relationship with them. Having said that, I get on fine with them and have (at times) had friendships of a sort with them. In general, throughout our adult lives, I have seen them only by chance if we happen to visit our parents or at occasional family gatherings.

One of the SBs has serious mental health problems and approx 10 years ago withdrew from these meetings and gatherings as he couldn’t cope with them. Having done that, he retained a relationship with his DF and DB. This is also relevant as it demonstrates that as a step-sister, I was not close enough to be included. I have never had any issue with that, in fact it was my preference too - I didn’t know him well enough for him to confide or to be party to his personal information.

Throughout this time we have been Facebook friends. When I was active on fb (which I no longer am through personal choice), he’d see my updates, comment, message me from time to time.

One thing I don’t like about Facebook is that it makes me a lazy friend. I see your updates, you see mine and it feels like we are having a relationship when we’re not. That’s partly why I don’t use it any more. Anyway, my point is I think that’s how he has felt - included in my life but, in reality, he hasn’t been (through no fault of his or mine).

He was diagnosed with cancer a year or so ago. At that time, I messaged him to let him know I am thinking of him (we don’t phone each other - his mental health means that sometimes he is too depressed or anxious to want calls. In all the time I have known him - 25-plus years I think I have called him twice). I’m just explaining why I message rather than call.

We have messaged from time to time, he calls me sis, which doesn’t sit right with me but I let it go as he seems to like it. Apart from messages of support for his illness I have never messaged him much. We are very different people with very different views on life who don’t have much in common.

I get regular updates from my DM and luckily things have been very positive re his cancer, however, last week I heard he had received bad news so I messaged him along the lines of - thinking of you, hope you hear good news soon, etc.

He responded a few days later with a very passive-aggressive message about me not messaging enough and ‘let’s just put that down to you being busy’ and ‘communication come from both ends but this is the sick end’.

If we had that type of relationship, he’d be right but we don’t.

Also, I am busy - large family, pressurised job, I struggle with anxiety myself and some of his behaviours are triggering. He doesn’t know that (because he doesn’t know me) and I don’t want to tell him (none of his business and I don’t want to hurt his feelings).

This situation is also causing me so much stress and anxiety. I get the pursed lips and PA disapproval from DM (she is, and always a has been, of the view that everyone else’s feelings are more important than mine). I’m somehow supposed to find the time and the inclination, not to mention take the lead entirely and make up reasons to message SB and conversations because he wants me to.

I don’t want to. Why? Because it’s fake, I don’t have time, he’s not the most likeable person, we have nothing in common. If he cared enough to find out about my thoughts and opinions I don’t think he’s find me very likeable either as we are simply so different.

However, he is mentally ill, he has cancer, he wants this.

If he had a short time left to live, I’d go all out to give someone pleasure whether we are related or not, but this manufactured relationship could last for years. It would be cruel to get into that if I wasn’t committed to continue.

AIBU? I’m willing to be told I am

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UhtredRagnarson · 28/03/2021 14:30

No of course YANBU. Don’t be guilted into it because he is sick. Tbh I wouldn’t bother reaching out to him again.

Doyoumindfisithere · 28/03/2021 14:34

YANBU, you haven't done anything wrong. Family guilt-tripping is horrible.

Don't get into any arguments, just keep your head down about this.

Garlia · 28/03/2021 14:37

YANBU.

I'm really sorry he's so poorly and, as I work in mental health, I have nothing but sympathy for his issues.

But. Whatever he is going through, it's not your job or responsibility to encourage/manufacture a relationship that just isn't there, you've been completely reasonable!

betterfantasia · 28/03/2021 14:38

No I think you're being very reasonable and you need to ignore your mother.

Justilou1 · 28/03/2021 14:39

Fuck that shit... be honest. State that you don’t deserve or appreciate the passive-aggressive response to a genuinely caring message of support. You haven’t changed any pattern of contact and neither has he. Yes, he’s sick - BUT he’s not the only person in the universe, AND he’s certainly not your first priority. As you said before, you’re sorry he had bad news - but unless he wants to push people away completely, he should handle his expectations

Ladydayblues1 · 28/03/2021 14:45

He's in the wrong. But it's not worth the aggrevation of getting into an argument, let's be honest you can't win this so don't expend energy on it. Just quietly detach and grey rock the situation.

He's probably angry at his situation, understandably and is possibly looking for a fight to distract himself. Don't give it to him.

katy1213 · 28/03/2021 14:57

Ignore him. Why are you feeling stressed over someone so tangential to your life? You sent a polite message as you might send to any vague acquaintance - which is all he is to you.
You are allowed to feel 100per cent indifferent to the fact he has cancer! It doesn't make you a bad person, just a realist.

BluebellsGreenbells · 28/03/2021 15:06

I’m not sure what you are asking here

The man is ill, and probably angry he’s ill. All you need to do is accept the message came from a good place - yours and he reacted badly. It may have been a low point.

What your mother thinks or does is irrelevant. How she deals or reacts to him is her business and shouldn’t make it yours. She must know you have a very thin relationship with these brothers.

I also notice on your OP that you try and justify everting. You don’t need to. Not to is and not to your mother or brother.

You don’t message him because he isn’t your priority, never has been and never will. And that’s OK! It really is.

You could be sat in your arse all day every day and it would still be OK!

Move on, messages again in a few months.

MeridasMum · 28/03/2021 15:49

@Justilou

Fuck that shit... be honest. State that you don’t deserve or appreciate the passive-aggressive response to a genuinely caring message of support. You haven’t changed any pattern of contact and neither has he

I do agree. I had a message drafted which explained all this in a really kind way but chickened out at the last minute. He's quite aggressive, not just passive aggressive, and I really can't bear to enter into these kinds of messages with him. I wish I could as I'd like to have my day.

In the end, I completely blanked the PA and sent him a message saying I was glad to hear that he'd actually had some good news (which he also detailed within the PA message).

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MeridasMum · 28/03/2021 15:50

Thanks for the posts of support. I honestly couldn't see the woods for the trees and suspected I'd get a hard time on here for being unkind to an ill man.

This has helped greatly

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MeridasMum · 28/03/2021 15:51

*have my say, not day (that sounds awful!!)

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AnotherKrampus · 28/03/2021 16:08

Put yourself first! Put him last or nowhere at all. He isn't really a part of your life nor does he need to feature largely or at all. It be different if you genuinely like him.

mummylovesthesunshine · 28/03/2021 16:27

Yanbu
Block him and don't contact him again.

Matrottinetteelectrique · 28/03/2021 16:40

If you had these illnesses would he go out of his way to contact you, and would your mother purse her lips at him?

Probably not.

Cheesecake53 · 28/03/2021 17:46

YANBU!

MeridasMum · 28/03/2021 18:22

These messages are really helping me but I keep thinking - he thinks we do have a relationship. He thinks he knows me because I nod along when he talks about his strong beliefs. He never asks what do you think. If I told him that our views are so different, he wouldn't like me.
He does these Facebook rants about this wrong or that wrong and I often think god, that's me ; he just doesn't know it.

I don't mean anything ridiculous. I don't have any strange views (I don't think Confused) - I mean political views, social issues, even shops people go to.

It is on me that I haven't spoken up but it's just not my way. I tend to avoid confrontation in general but especially with him, given his mental illness and aggression. It's easy to smile and nod.

My worry is he will be upset as he thinks we have a sibling relationship and in my view we don't

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TheProvincialLady · 28/03/2021 18:33

Maybe he will be upset because he thinks you have a sibling relationship and you don’t. But that will be his problem, not yours. Neither of you have ever put the effort in to form a close relationship, which is absolutely fine, but he doesn’t get to decide that you are now ‘family’ because it suits him due to his illness.

If I were you I would detach massively. Don’t ever contact him unless he contacts you first and is polite and appropriate. Don’t invite him into your life and avoid events he is likely to attend, as much as possible. If you do see him, be polite but distant. You owe him nothing. And don’t ever discuss him with your mother - this is literally none of her business. There are lots of people in difficult circumstances eg cancer and mental illness, and that is very sad but it’s not your responsibility to be ‘nice’ to them all. Let her be ‘nice’ if she wants to be.

BluebellsGreenbells · 29/03/2021 08:59

My mother wouldn’t get involved in mine and my siblings relationships - it’s no longer her business as we aren’t under her roof squabbling anymore.

You need to at least say this to your mom or ignore her requests for you to make contact.

Naunet · 29/03/2021 13:52

Eugh, so many men seem to have such an entitlement to women’s time. You don’t owe him your attention, you’re not close, he’s made no effort with you - why on earth would you now fake a relationship just because he demands it? Don’t feel guilty OP, you don’t owe him anything, but maybe his upset is more to do with what he’s going through, so cut him a little slack there.

Tinydinosaur · 29/03/2021 13:57

Just continue as you are and ignore the PA.
It's a shit situation but there's really nothing you can do with people like that. No point telling him you disagree, it'll just turn into a debate. Be polite but don't over invest.

MimiSunshine · 29/03/2021 14:07

He can’t possibly think you have a sibling relationship because you clearly dont. He can believe he knows you based on his own assumptions.

He as much as admits that neither of you are close as the lack of communication goes both ways but his get out clause is he is sick so it’s all on you.

Ignore the PA and if your mum says anything just say “we’re not close, he didn’t want any contact with Me years ago and that was fine. I understood, but he can’t rewrite history now’.

user1471538283 · 29/03/2021 14:10

I really wouldn't respond or get involved. Before you know it you will be left looking after him or taking him to appointments or something. Your DM probably wants support dealing with this.

maybemu · 29/03/2021 15:18

I've got to disagree. That post was just a long justification as why you have done nothing wrong. Very one sided. You say your mother has always put others feelings first...... or maybe she is siding with the man who has cancer and maybe clearly wants a relationship with you. This whole post sounded very self centred. Maybe he has always had a problem with your lack of effort and has now had enough of biting his tongue.

You are well within your right to carry on the relationship you have now but don't expect others (your mother and him) to agree with your point of view. Got to say I don't.

In a world where you can be anything, be kind.

It's not that hard.

BluebellsGreenbells · 29/03/2021 15:28

Op has been kind, she’s made some effort.

The bloke is just the son of the man her mother married. she doesn’t own him anything other than good manners and a cursory ‘how are you’

They have no bond and nothing in common, not her circus.

MeridasMum · 29/03/2021 15:32

@maybemu

I've got to disagree. That post was just a long justification as why you have done nothing wrong. Very one sided. You say your mother has always put others feelings first...... or maybe she is siding with the man who has cancer and maybe clearly wants a relationship with you. This whole post sounded very self centred. Maybe he has always had a problem with your lack of effort and has now had enough of biting his tongue.

You are well within your right to carry on the relationship you have now but don't expect others (your mother and him) to agree with your point of view. Got to say I don't.

In a world where you can be anything, be kind.

It's not that hard.

Thanks for your response. It's good to see different views.

Re my DM, I have no intention of drip-feeding but please take my word on this. I have had numerous threads about this, I visit Stately Homes thread and have had counselling. It was all too much to include in a long OP.

Your other points, however, are why I'm having such a hard time with this. I do worry that some of this may be the case. Facts are facts, however, and we both have been distant (see my message re him removing himself - I haven't seen him in approx 10 years because he didn't want to (maybe I should have specifically said that too).

I'm not trying to justify my behaviour (eg, AIBU? Unanimous yes! No I'm not!) I'm really telling the whole story and looking for a variety of views. You have given me one so thanks. I will definitely be looking at my own behaviours.

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