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Relocating for work

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24601mary · 25/03/2021 12:27

I posted in another topic and didn't feel as though I gave a thorough overview of the situation and felt from some of the comments being left perhaps it would be more suited to this topic

Overall summary :
-Me my husband and 2year old live in Peterborough.
-due to covid our work stream has been affected and my husband has miraculously got a job in Nottingham at a really big stable company that also happens to be his dream job

  • he will be working from home for the foreseeable but there might be a time in the future that he is called back in
  • my work is luckily flexible and I can continue working from home as I am no longer needed in the office at all. This has been confirmed.
  • we have decided after much debate that relocating to Nottingham sooner rather than later is the best thing for us as a family - he will be close to work which means we won't need to buy a second car , my 2 year old can settle into preschool and school meaning we won't need to uproot her from school if we delayed and moved years down the line and we are only an hour away from home by train or just a little longer by car .


My mum is devastated at the prospect of us leaving . To give some context
  • I am an only child as is my mum. My only family is my mum and my 90year old grandmother who are both in Peterborough
  • I have been doing my grandmothers cleaning and shopping for her because my mum works full time and I only work part time around my 2 year old
  • my mum doesn't like driving distance , so won't be comfortable to drive the hour to Nottingham but she will get the train
  • my grandmothers caring responsibilities will all lie on my mum because I won't be able to share the load being further away , and this makes me feel guilty beyond words


Please be kind. There is only so many words I can use to explain my situation and I don't want anyone to read between the lines or assume stuff I haven't mentioned . I would just like to know what people's thoughts are. I feel like I am being so selfish to leave my mum behind. It feels like I am being disloyal to her and betraying her. We are close and she is my friend. But at the same time I am trying to think what is best for my husband and little girl

I would obviously visit home as often as I could and we would get a place where my mum could stop over for weekends so we would make a lot of effort to keep regular contact

AIBU to continue with the move? Who should I prioritise?
OP posts:
Number16 · 26/03/2021 07:24

You have to do what's best for you, your DD and DH. Is it the idea of a new adventure and starting a life for yourselves somewhere else that is also appealing to you? We looked at relocating to be nearer family recently as our parents age, even offered on a house, but in the end we decided we preferred the lifestyle and experiences our children could access in our current city. Although it was hard for our parents who had been excited about having support and the grandchildren nearby, they gave us their blessing as it's our life to live, and equally they don't want to relocate to be nearer us!

Help your mum and Grandmother to come up with plans for her support, but don't be afraid to own your life and take the next step towards a different life if that's what you want.

MessAllOver · 26/03/2021 07:35

An hour is no distance at all. You're not "leaving" so why your mum is devastated is beyond me. She is being very unreasonable.

That said, if you can compromise by living between your mum and your DH's work, that seems a sensible solution.

Funny how we all think about distance. My aunt is over-the-moon because my cousin and his family are moving back from the US later this year. Despite the fact they'll be living in London and she's in Wales, she's so excited about the prospect of them being "just around the corner".

BriarsHollow · 26/03/2021 07:48

Am I missing something? There’s not even 1.5 hrs between P and N. That’s not ‘leaving’. Your mum would be extremely selfish to expect her daughter to prioritise her over her own young family.

Serin · 26/03/2021 07:57

YANBU, Do what is right for your own little family.
It's so unfair of them to guilt trip you.
I would also be very wary of moving "half way" between Nottingham and Peterborough. That is neither the ideal solution to either situation and you will need to use the car for everything.
My own DM tried something similar with us once, but I realised that actually she had moved away from home to another country at 17, and saw her own DM about once every 2 years.
If your DM needs your help in a few years, she can always move to Nottingham to be closer to you all then.

24601mary · 26/03/2021 07:58

Thank you so much everyone for your comments! It is really nice to be able to see that for the majority of you all, you don't think I am being selfish. It's so tough and I love my mum and I will always be there for her no matter where I am. When my daughter gets older she will enjoy going on train journeys to visit her grandma or I am fine to drive back to Peterborough because the drive doesn't bother me. We would pick my mum up from the train station for her to stay here at weekends. And I would still visit my grandmother and support her with shopping from afar.


@BusyLizzie61 - I do appreciate your comment, I really do! And your viewpoint is the other half of my brain. If you wouldn't mind, if I could give you my arguments against your points I would be really interested to hear your next thoughts because it is this that my brain is battling with .... you say that you couldn't move away from your mum and even more so if you are an only child. This is exactly how I feel and it is awful as I feel like I'm piggy in the middle between her snd my husband . Can I ask how you would feel if you stayed close by to her and then your husband did really well in his job and ended up communicating to Nottingham 5 days a week on a busy road that meant that he would be out of the house between 7am - 7pm (give or take a little time because of traffic ) he would never see his child during the week and we would live for the weekends. I know people live this way , and I respect that, but that really saddens my heart to feel that would be us . My mum would get to see lots of us whenever she wanted and us her, but my husband would then suffer. My husband would do anything for me and he has said to me, just say the word and we shall stay put. But I don't feel it's fair for me to ageee to that when I know the impact that could have on his relationship with his daughter snd his wife and I would worrry like crazy for his long drive every day.
(I know it's all ifs snd buts as we don't know if it will be 5daysba week but he wants to really progress in this company and I can see out of any company this is the one he would be perfectly suited to)

@emilyfrost - I completely understand your point too. We have also discussed this and there is that element of risk that if we go now and then he never gets called into the office or he ends up not liking it or anything negative happens , we've jumped and moved away without needing to. Our thoughts against this would be that if we delay a couple of years for him to settle in and see what realistically his needs would be in the office, this adds time where my daughter gets settled into preschool here (maybe reception by then too) and whilst I would uproot her if we absolutely had to , the emotional side of it would impact my decision - she may have made close friends by then, she may feel sad to leave them. And even if that didn't happen , my grandma might be unwell by then and maybe even the inevitable will have happened or about to happen with her , and then if my husband really needs to be closer to the office, at that point I don't think I would go because the emotional tie of staying would be too strong. He would then be in a position where he was either doing long days and we would never ever see him during the week, or he would look for menial work here and quit . Neither of which I want for him.

It's such a hard decision and I get that people commute for long hours for work or live far away from family , but when it's just a small family and I know how upset they would be, it makes me upset !

For those who have suggested half way - we have also considered this too, but my mum won't drive any further than Stamford. We looked at Grantham to make it easier for her to get to, but it would be the same, she would get the train and not drive ! And we would be living in Grantham which isn't where we would ideally prefer , we would prefer Nottingham - more to do for us but also low opportunities for our daughter!!

Oh life does get complicated when you have children!!! Haha

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ilovebagpuss · 26/03/2021 08:05

I would go and make the move for you and your family. If your mum loves you as much as you love her and have that good relationship then she will be pleased for you and excited (if a little sad) if she is playing the guilt fiddle then I’m afraid it’s more about the help you provide for your nan.
Your nan may need to go into care or have home carers come in what would happen if you had to get a full time job for example? You are allowing your mum to work full time by helping which suits at the minute but what if you needed to work full time ?
My in laws live a couple of hours away but they come down for weekends and we actually have more quality time with them than if they lived on the door step.
If you can afford a house with a spare room you can tell your mum she has a room ready to come and stay. Nottingham is a great city lots to see and do normally great theatre etc.
Just get on with it but drop some nice ideas about her coming for the weekend etc.

IndecentFeminist · 26/03/2021 09:19

Go to Nottingham. Let your husband get settled through probation but it sounds like that is where you want to be.

HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 26/03/2021 09:25

I think it's crazy to move because of something that might happen years down the line. It's unlikely your husband will be made to return to the office five days a week, but it's a certainty that your grandmother's care needs will increase and your mum will be left to deal with it alone. I'd be staying put.

AnaofBroceliande · 26/03/2021 09:27

I'd wait to make sure he passes probation and likes the job. Your mum is being ridiculous. FFS! It's like an hour away. You're supposed to structure your life over her disliking to drive an hour?

emilyfrost · 26/03/2021 10:24

the emotional side of it would impact my decision - she may have made close friends by then, she may feel sad to leave them.

Your daughter is so young I think it’s crazy to jump the shark and move so quickly because of that. She won’t even remember any friends she makes; it won’t impact her at all.

I don’t think you’re selfish to move if you need to, but I think at this stage, when you don’t even know if he’ll be able to stay in the job/pass his probation/make it to two years and even if he does whether he’ll need to actually go into the office or not, is just crazy.

BusyLizzie61 · 26/03/2021 10:25

@24601mary

Thank you so much everyone for your comments! It is really nice to be able to see that for the majority of you all, you don't think I am being selfish. It's so tough and I love my mum and I will always be there for her no matter where I am. When my daughter gets older she will enjoy going on train journeys to visit her grandma or I am fine to drive back to Peterborough because the drive doesn't bother me. We would pick my mum up from the train station for her to stay here at weekends. And I would still visit my grandmother and support her with shopping from afar.

*@BusyLizzie61* - I do appreciate your comment, I really do! And your viewpoint is the other half of my brain. If you wouldn't mind, if I could give you my arguments against your points I would be really interested to hear your next thoughts because it is this that my brain is battling with .... you say that you couldn't move away from your mum and even more so if you are an only child. This is exactly how I feel and it is awful as I feel like I'm piggy in the middle between her snd my husband . Can I ask how you would feel if you stayed close by to her and then your husband did really well in his job and ended up communicating to Nottingham 5 days a week on a busy road that meant that he would be out of the house between 7am - 7pm (give or take a little time because of traffic ) he would never see his child during the week and we would live for the weekends. I know people live this way , and I respect that, but that really saddens my heart to feel that would be us . My mum would get to see lots of us whenever she wanted and us her, but my husband would then suffer. My husband would do anything for me and he has said to me, just say the word and we shall stay put. But I don't feel it's fair for me to ageee to that when I know the impact that could have on his relationship with his daughter snd his wife and I would worrry like crazy for his long drive every day.
(I know it's all ifs snd buts as we don't know if it will be 5daysba week but he wants to really progress in this company and I can see out of any company this is the one he would be perfectly suited to)

*@emilyfrost* - I completely understand your point too. We have also discussed this and there is that element of risk that if we go now and then he never gets called into the office or he ends up not liking it or anything negative happens , we've jumped and moved away without needing to. Our thoughts against this would be that if we delay a couple of years for him to settle in and see what realistically his needs would be in the office, this adds time where my daughter gets settled into preschool here (maybe reception by then too) and whilst I would uproot her if we absolutely had to , the emotional side of it would impact my decision - she may have made close friends by then, she may feel sad to leave them. And even if that didn't happen , my grandma might be unwell by then and maybe even the inevitable will have happened or about to happen with her , and then if my husband really needs to be closer to the office, at that point I don't think I would go because the emotional tie of staying would be too strong. He would then be in a position where he was either doing long days and we would never ever see him during the week, or he would look for menial work here and quit . Neither of which I want for him.

It's such a hard decision and I get that people commute for long hours for work or live far away from family , but when it's just a small family and I know how upset they would be, it makes me upset !

For those who have suggested half way - we have also considered this too, but my mum won't drive any further than Stamford. We looked at Grantham to make it easier for her to get to, but it would be the same, she would get the train and not drive ! And we would be living in Grantham which isn't where we would ideally prefer , we would prefer Nottingham - more to do for us but also low opportunities for our daughter!!

Oh life does get complicated when you have children!!! Haha

I think that until I knew it was going to be 5 days a week, I wouldn't do or agree anything.

I think that atm it's a very different mindset as you've lived locally to work/wfh so these changes feel even more grave.

Having done an 1hr15 commute either way, I get that I wouldn't want to do this again, BUT I am the primary caregiver. Whereas your husband is not. And whilst he may miss out on time with his child as a result of the commute, unless this was more than 3 days a week, I really don't see it as that significant. Safety wise accidents are more likely to occur on likely roads, so I'd moot that concern if you can. Also, if in Nottingham, what's to say you won't find yourself in a position of oh effectively still going to work at 7am to avoid the traffic (indeed the commute could end up nearly as long in rush hour) or just because he wants to put in more hours....

I also think if he opts to be working 8 to 6pm, which is what your 7 to 7 suggests, that's his choice and actually he needs to make his hours more family friendly. Even if that means shorter lunch break, earlier finish and logging on for an hour if absolutely necessary. I know parents who have short lunch breaks of 20 minutes so they can collect the children from school 1 day a week. He could apply for flexible working too.

I get the concern re school. But that's a long way away and there's no guarantee that your child would go to the feeder School from the nursery and with the same children. It's far less likely in a city. So moving between nursery and Reception is less of an issue in my mind.

Once she's at school, it will inevitably be a juggle of school, after school clubs, activities etc, friends, so your daughter won't be around the same as things are now. Remember covid is a false sense of reality.

I think that the balance still lies that by relocating, you risk putting the horse before the cart. And that moving inevitably means your mother would have significantly less contact and it would be more formal as it would have to be planned, not just 5 minute drop ins etc. Your husband may have less child contact too, but I am not convinced that this is as significant as you feel and some of this onus is on your oh in managing his time so his work time is family focussed too. He could still be having story times etc even with a commute and would obviously have weekends. I would anticipate, in real time, it may only be a difference of a max of 30 minutes more a day. Having done both situations myself.

But again, you really don't know that it's a 5 day return to office.

What would you regret more? Moving now and finding out he's only going ad hoc or a day or two a week, and sadly your Gran dies and your child has seen significantly less of your mum? Or, you delay, wait to find out and them make an informed decision, but have potentially gained the last few years of your gran's life and your mum has remained more involved until school age?
TeacupDrama · 26/03/2021 10:40

I am not sure why an hours drive is beyond your mother, if your grandmother is 90 your mum must be late sixities maybe 70
I don't know why she won't drive further, is it nerves or not knowing the road, surely she could follow you a few times so she would learn route or use a sat nav on her phone with the voice, after driving 5-6 times she would be familiar with it

my DM is in her late seventies and would drive 2-3 hours my DF only stopped driving because of eyesight when he was 92, we live 6 hours drive away when both DF and DM drove they would share driving to come but now Mum wouldn't come because she can't drive 6 hours in one day even with stops and my DF health isn't good enough to cope with 6 hours in a car plus toilet breaks

if your mother is really unsure about driving even 30 minutes to an hour should she be driving at all? an hours drive would still mean you could see her every second week easily or met half way for coffee or lunch on a saturday morning

I don't know the circumstances but your mother is relatively young and is maybe limiting herself too much and should be encouraged to expand her horizons a little as other people have said it's not Cornwall or Birmingham

I do think you need to wait 6 months ( max a year) to see whether DH really likes job, if he has to go in only 2 days a week, or most days, at the end of a day it is more important that a child sees their father every day rather than grandmother also if you put off moving your DM and DGM might need more support so the pressure to stay against your families best interests might be harder

HomeSliceKnowsBest · 26/03/2021 10:42

Would DM and DGM be able to move too or is this out of the question? Well done your DH!

BusyLizzie61 · 26/03/2021 11:21

@TeacupDrama

I am not sure why an hours drive is beyond your mother, if your grandmother is 90 your mum must be late sixities maybe 70
I don't know why she won't drive further, is it nerves or not knowing the road, surely she could follow you a few times so she would learn route or use a sat nav on her phone with the voice, after driving 5-6 times she would be familiar with it

my DM is in her late seventies and would drive 2-3 hours my DF only stopped driving because of eyesight when he was 92, we live 6 hours drive away when both DF and DM drove they would share driving to come but now Mum wouldn't come because she can't drive 6 hours in one day even with stops and my DF health isn't good enough to cope with 6 hours in a car plus toilet breaks

if your mother is really unsure about driving even 30 minutes to an hour should she be driving at all? an hours drive would still mean you could see her every second week easily or met half way for coffee or lunch on a saturday morning

I don't know the circumstances but your mother is relatively young and is maybe limiting herself too much and should be encouraged to expand her horizons a little as other people have said it's not Cornwall or Birmingham

I do think you need to wait 6 months ( max a year) to see whether DH really likes job, if he has to go in only 2 days a week, or most days, at the end of a day it is more important that a child sees their father every day rather than grandmother also if you put off moving your DM and DGM might need more support so the pressure to stay against your families best interests might be harder

I disagree with your assertion re driving. Driving on busy A roads if you're used to only driving on small roads and for short distances is very different.
I live rurally and know plenty of drivers who only drive a maximum of 30 minutes radius of home and never on major routes. They're competent drivers, just do not like driving on unfamiliar, busier routes and understand their driving tolerance, which is far better than those who just drive not understanding they're not concentrating fully, are too tired etc.
TeacupDrama · 26/03/2021 11:29

actually I'm not sure someone is a competent driver if they can't drive on unfamilar roads or dual carriageways or at 60mph safely what if there is a diversion etc or if a road is suddenly closed by fallen tree or burst water pipe, competent driving is more than just driving safely from A to B several times
There is a big difference between only driving 30 minutes radius and driving tired or over confidently or being a boy racer type or driving while on tyour phone it is not either/or
it would make sense if her mother was perhaps over 80
like I said if she followed OP a few times or OP sat beside her a few times it would no longer be unfamiliar but part of her regular routes within a few weeks
Peterborough is not a tiny place with no main roads or dual carriageways or multiple islands and lanes

24601mary · 26/03/2021 11:54

@TeacupDrama - I hear what you are saying but just to give more info on my mums particular situation, she has lived in the same location for her whole life and is used to the roads around here. She does not enjoy driving but this does not make her incompetent. It is a confidence thing around driving on unfamiliar roads and I completely get that. If you haven't had to drive long distance your whole life and you are used to pottering about one location going to the same places, somewhere new is daunting . It doesn't mean she is not safe on the roads lol

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Pinkdelight3 · 26/03/2021 13:15

just to give more info on my mums particular situation, she has lived in the same location for her whole life

Honestly it sounds like she wants the same thing for you and even with all the love you clearly have for her, it sounds stifling and a bit sad. Aside from all the practical points about probation, pre-school etc. what I'm getting from your posts is that you actually want to move to Nottingham. So go for it. Don't be held back by someone who's never moved anywhere, even if it is your mum. She's made her choices. You get to make yours.

Crocodilesoup · 26/03/2021 13:29

By moving you will have a lot less access to help from your mum with babysitting or emergency childcare (all those illnesses that crop up when a child first starts nursery!)
But it isn't your job to look after your gran or your mum. I had to look up the two cities as I assumed they must be at opposite sides of the country. You seem to exist in relationship to other people - what your dh wants, your mum, your gran - have you thought through the lifestyle that would make you happy?

CallforHecate · 26/03/2021 13:46

I mean this kindly OP but I think you’re massively over thinking it. Give it six months of the new job so your DH gets a feel for how much time he needs to be in the office and for him to pass his probation and then review the situation.

With regard to your grandmother’s care, presumably at some point you’ll want to restart your career and so you’d need to step back a bit anyway? It sounds as though she should have some help coming in regularly - please check out the options available, you and your mum shouldn’t be left struggling to cope on your own. If you’re finding it hard to get help, contact your local councillor for support.

CallforHecate · 26/03/2021 13:46

PS. Your daughter will cope just fine if she has to move schools in a couple of years’ time. It’s not as though she’ll be approaching her exam years or anything.

MixedUpFiles · 26/03/2021 13:54

Your still close enough to visit for an afternoon. It’s not a big move at all.

VestaTilley · 26/03/2021 14:01

You should move.

It’s not your responsibility to do caring for your DGM - she needs to pay for carers.

It’s also not your responsibility to be on call for your DM.

Try the move - be committed, tell yourself you’re giving it 2 years and if you hate it you’ll move back, but don’t be guilt tripped and don’t not try because of your DM. If you said you relied on your DM for child support and help that might be different, but it sounds more like she relies on you, not the other way around, and that’s not your responsibility when you have your own daughter to put first.

Notts really isn’t that far away! Just buy a place with a spare room and visit once every 6 weeks, that’s fine.

TeacupDrama · 26/03/2021 15:35

@24601mary, I do get that which is why I suggested that doing the drive a few times with you would help her confidence and then it wouldn't be unfamiliar

I also echo what pinkdelight said you need to do the right thing for you
in the end the people that matter most are you, DH and DD
maybe you are just trying to please too many people
maybe for you your family being 10 minutes away is really the most important thing.How far is DH family? Would moving to Stamford help if DH was in every day it's a manageable commute your Mum would drive there, you are close enough to go there after breakfast and be home before lunch
DD will adapt to new schools and new nursey just fine moving when a child is under 10 should not really be a huge deal,
I do think you should just park the decision for 6 months to let DH settle into new job and see what the reality is when Covid dust has settled once people start back at office the working from home 3 days a week might become 1 or it might be rarely or it might be nearly all the time, if so you need a home with an office as DH can't work where DD is playing and you can't hush her all the time, once work is back there will be less tolerance for kids in the background either seen or heard
my advice would be not to discuss it endlessly for 6 months but to tell everyone we are seeing what happens and will review in 6 months but ultimately it is you and DH's decision to do what is right for you

ThereOnceWasANote · 26/03/2021 17:08

I think sacrificing your DH's daily time with DD so you can provide care to your grandma and support your mum is unreasonable. They are adults and able to manage their own lives. Your DD should be your priority and her time with her dad is more important than cleaning your gran's house.

LIZS · 26/03/2021 17:13

I would have thought you could still visit and clean once a week until dd was at school.

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