Surely a vaccination certificate for international travel should be implemented as soon as possible?

wintertime6 · 2021-03-21T07:25:14+00:00

I don't understand why there is a debate on this? Surely it should be implemented as soon as possible (taking into consideration the availability of vaccines for all those who want to travel). The government need to step up and make some tough decisions and make sure that the fabulous work down with our vaccination programme isn't undone. It's done for yellow fever and that's a vaccine people have to pay for. If there's a valid reason people can't have the vaccine they can get an exemption certificate. And I've never heard anyone complaining about it?

midgedude · 21/03/2021 07:28

Probably really too soon

Vaccines need to be prioritised , to the vulnerable , worldwide

Then we need worldwide delivery of vaccines be able to suppress new variants , another round of world wide vaccination . Because if you don't you are back in lockdown

Then the comfortable can think about their holidays

cameocat · 21/03/2021 07:34

Because we haven't vaccinated everyone yet. This isn't a priority when we need to work on getting everyone generally vaccinated and help support other countries in getting it done too.

Lemons1571 · 21/03/2021 07:37

I think they are, aren’t they? Big announcement on overseas travel due on 12th April. Must be difficult though, it may not be long before having any old corona vaccine isn’t going to be good enough to cover the main/emerging new variants.

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wintertime6 · 21/03/2021 07:39

Yes, point taken. Then we need to have strict limits on international travel to essential travel only until such times as it is feasible to implement a vaccine passport. I guess I'm concerned that international travel could start opening up towards the end of the year with no restrictions and no vaccine passport in place.

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Sammysquiz · 21/03/2021 07:39

Because you may still be carrying back covid or a variant of, and not enough people have been vaccinated yet for that not to be a problem. It will also take a lot of time to implement it - you won’t just be able up rock up to the airport waving your easily-forged bit of cardboard.

Cupcakegirl13 · 21/03/2021 07:45

I really don’t understand the obsession with the ‘need’ to holiday abroad ! It’s seriously down the priority list right now. It’s not just about you as an individual being vaccinated and therefore ‘safe’. It’s not safe until the majority of the world has been vaccinated.

spookycookies · 21/03/2021 07:53

Because we don't want people bringing back vaccine resistant strains. Most countries are no where near our vaccination levels leaving the doors wide open for new strains. Wait until most countries are mostly vaccinated.

Tangogolf55 · 21/03/2021 08:04

We also need to get the economy going otherwise we’re buggered.

EasterIssland · 21/03/2021 08:08

Rest of the world is implementing them so I can’t see how they can refuse you to provide you a medical record proof so you can present it
If the uk doesn’t want the vaccinated people then it’s as easy to ask for pcr on the way back or quarantine.

Those of us that have got travelling high up the list (for seeing family or getting a break from the uk) should be able to have something that says we’ve had xyz vaccine.

meditrina · 21/03/2021 08:10

I think within UK, as we do not have ID cards, it'll be too difficult to implement (as other documents will be too easy to forge)

And no-one is encouraging international travel except for business or urgent family reasons, so having a scheme to ease holiday travel probably isn't top of the 'to do' list. And won't become so until other countries start requiring proof of status as a condition of entry.

At which point, the work that's going on in the background now will get presented as the fait accompli. I wonder which firm thus will be contracted out to, and how like an ID card it will be? The proposed cards of the Blair years, perhaps?

EasterIssland · 21/03/2021 08:11

@Cupcakegirl13

I really don’t understand the obsession with the ‘need’ to holiday abroad ! It’s seriously down the priority list right now. It’s not just about you as an individual being vaccinated and therefore ‘safe’. It’s not safe until the majority of the world has been vaccinated.

It’s down your priority list. In mine is the highest.

Virus don’t only move by going abroad ... in fact what happens within the country is more important (barely anyone is going abroad at the moment and yet we continue having thousands of cases a day ) maybe we should ban those activities which are low in my priority list like family get together or going to the pub so the virus doesn’t move ?

And not to forget the money that the country is going to invest bailing out tourism companies which will be confused as why rest of the world is opening but not the uk with most of the people being vaccinated

Sidney · 21/03/2021 08:11

@Cupcakegirl13, we need to holiday abroad because there is no room in this country...

Zampa · 21/03/2021 08:11

Qantas are in the news today, saying that proof of vaccination will be needed to fly with them. Even if nations don't implement vaccine passports, it's possible that the travel providers will.

MacDuffsMuff · 21/03/2021 08:14

@Sidney no room to holiday in this country? Are you not in the UK? There's plenty of room to holiday here if you wish to do so. Unless you're trying to make some other point?

KatieB55 · 21/03/2021 08:16

Logistical nightmare if booster shots are needed in Sept to cover new variants.

EasterIssland · 21/03/2021 08:16

[quote MacDuffsMuff]@Sidney no room to holiday in this country? Are you not in the UK? There's plenty of room to holiday here if you wish to do so. Unless you're trying to make some other point?[/quote]
If you’re willing to pay the British price then it’s up to you

If I can I’ll go to a country on holidays which has had 6k casss in the whole pandemic and is planning on planning the whole country vaccinated by June.
Will I be more at risk there or in Dorset in summer ?

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 21/03/2021 08:19

I agree it's not yet a priority and we should be minimising foreign travel (crap as I know that is for those with family abroad).

I also think it's politically unpalatable to talk about at this time, when the truth is that those for whom lockdown has been a far greater trial than covid itself would have been (ie. the young and healthy who have spent months sacrificing their pleasure/mental health for the vulnerable) will be those unable to travel because they haven't yet reached the front of the vaccine queue. It's divisive.

CuthbertDibbleandGrubb · 21/03/2021 08:19

I think it should be. There are inevitably going to be airlines and countries that require it, and this will reduce last minute requests and people unable to travel because they have not got the proof of vaccination received in time.

CuthbertDibbleandGrubb · 21/03/2021 08:20

Even if foreign travel is months away or next year.

Abraxan · 21/03/2021 08:21

@Cupcakegirl13

I really don’t understand the obsession with the ‘need’ to holiday abroad ! It’s seriously down the priority list right now. It’s not just about you as an individual being vaccinated and therefore ‘safe’. It’s not safe until the majority of the world has been vaccinated.

I assume that you realise that an awful lot of people don't just travel abroad for a holiday.

Many people have close family living abroad.
Many people live in the UK but their families are back home in other countries.
Many people have work contacts abroad that work more efficiently face to face.

Not all travel is for holiday.

Abraxan · 21/03/2021 08:22

And to be honest after spending test day trying to find a decent holiday for a decent price within England I can definitely see why many people want to go abroad, especially as there is far less guarantee of nice, dry and warm weather here.

MumofPsuedoAdult · 21/03/2021 08:23

@Cupcakegirl13

I really don’t understand the obsession with the ‘need’ to holiday abroad ! It’s seriously down the priority list right now. It’s not just about you as an individual being vaccinated and therefore ‘safe’. It’s not safe until the majority of the world has been vaccinated.

Because many people who live in the UK have family abroad. So no socially distanced cups of tea and having 'garden' visits. For some of us seeing our families again will involve a ("non essential") flight.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 21/03/2021 08:23

They couldn't provide certificates for mask exemption. Wouldn't hold my breath about this one.

And our household is the one with all families outside of UK.

midgedude · 21/03/2021 08:24

We have family abroad. And it is always a great holiday when we visit them. and some are so old we may never see them again. Which doesn't bear thinking about

However all of can understand that "the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few "

Oblomov21 · 21/03/2021 08:25

I too think it needs to be addressed. The tourism industry, flights, cruises is on its knees and how is that going to recover?

The prices for UK has rocketed. Threads where holidays to Cornwall and Dorset have been cancelled, when the OP actually didn't want that, because the seller knows they can now rent their property for 3 times as much, due to demand.

Saying just holiday in the UK isn't addressing some of the bigger issues.