To think Oliver Banfield is a danger to women and girls?

[WomenArentSafe]

I’ve just read this on BBC NEWS:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-56459217

Women appear to be fair game for anyone to attack without punishment...

This probationary POLICE OFFICER grabbed the victim by the neck and forced her to the ground, all whilst calling her a fucking slag.

Plus it’s dark, he’s pretty tall. It’s on CCTV.

How will women ever feel safe when men - and specifically those tasked with keeping us safe - get away with inflicting abuse, fear and pain on us?

There are some days when I just despair.

Last week we saw spreadsheets of mainly male police officers and their crimes against women. I was totally shocked.

Who are these judges that believe that this kind of misogyny is remotely acceptable? Why aren’t they being screened for misogynistic views before they achieve Judge status?? Something is very very wrong.

Sierra What the heck are you on about?

Very worrying. I saw the footage and it’s quite distressing the way he tries to suggest she’s committing a crime.

@PapaSierra

I hope you started a thread in a similar vein against nurses when Beverly Allitt killed 4 babies in her care and attempted to kill 3 more.

And about doctors when Harold Shipman killed approximately 250 of his vulnerable, elderly patients.

And about pilots when Andreas Lubitz killed 150 passengers on board when he committed suicide.

And one about plastic surgeons when Jonathan Brooks attempted to murder his colleague.
And dentists after Colin Howell, a convicted double murderer.

And postal workers after Robert Yale Shulman murdered five prostitutes.

And taxi drivers after John Warboys after being convicted of 12 rapes, possibly 100 more.

And firefighters when John Leonard Orr murdered four people.

And teachers when Christopher Darler raped a student, had indecent images of children on his phone and blamed his 'Heavy workload'

As far as I’m aware Shipman and Allitt aren’t still treating patients and Lubitz isn’t flying passengers - but let me know if I’m wrong. This officer is still on the force though.

@PapaSierra I notice something about all your examples. They are all men.
Male violence is the problem. Men in positions of authority protected by the power of the law (as many offending police officers seem to be) are more concerning than the other examples. Men you are likely to encounter when vulnerable (out at night, for eg) are more concerning.

I tried to report this via the lenient sentence reporting system earlier but sadly it’s only for crown court cases.

Here’s another grime read,

100 complaints a year about Met police officers committing Sexual abuse.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/20/revealed-the-grim-list-of-sex-abuse-claims-against-metropolitan-police?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Something has to be done about these dangerous men walking around as police officers.

@PapaSierra

I hope you started a thread in a similar vein against nurses when Beverly Allitt killed 4 babies in her care and attempted to kill 3 more.

And about doctors when Harold Shipman killed approximately 250 of his vulnerable, elderly patients.

And about pilots when Andreas Lubitz killed 150 passengers on board when he committed suicide.

And one about plastic surgeons when Jonathan Brooks attempted to murder his colleague.
And dentists after Colin Howell, a convicted double murderer.

And postal workers after Robert Yale Shulman murdered five prostitutes.

And taxi drivers after John Warboys after being convicted of 12 rapes, possibly 100 more.

And firefighters when John Leonard Orr murdered four people.

And teachers when Christopher Darler raped a student, had indecent images of children on his phone and blamed his 'Heavy workload'

What on earth are you talking about? The OP is talking about the police officer Oliver Banfield.

@cardibach Beverly Allitt is clearly not a man, but okay.
Nurses, doctors, dentists, pilots, firefighters - they don't deal with vulnerable people either then do they?

@LaVitaPuoEsserePiuBella I'm well aware what the OP is referring to and was drawing parallels to other people in positions of power abusing that power, some including multiple murder. But let's just start another police bashing thread, thats easier.

No I didn’t PapaSierra.

I did read the spreadsheet showing the crimes committed by the police that was recently circulated... Maybe you didn’t see it but the majority of crimes were men committing violent offences against women.

Perhaps someone in the police could make sure that its police officers aren't misogynistic and dangerous...?

I don’t have to remind you of the occupation of the man arrested for Sarah Everard’s kidnapping and murder.

Am I not allowed to express my concern at this pattern of issues...?

The ' punishment' is absolute joke

I am not a police basher. As much as anything, I want those who are doing the job right, using their powers appropriately, not to be tainted by too many bad apples in the barrel, creating mistrust and antagonism. I say this as a person with a family member in the Met, and other members of the family in the police force in another country.

It's very hard for the police to accept institutional systemic misogyny, as a fairly landmark case in my home country shows. But if they have the courage to do so, and the determination for change, it really can change so much, for good. For women both in the force, and without.

[quote PapaSierra]@LaVitaPuoEsserePiuBella I'm well aware what the OP is referring to and was drawing parallels to other people in positions of power abusing that power, some including multiple murder. But let's just start another police bashing thread, thats easier.[/quote]
It’s not a police bashing thread. Nobody has said every police offer is awful and terrible and an abuser. People HAVE said that there ARE officers who abuse their power to commit acts such as the subject of the post. Can you really not understand the difference?

Are you saying we should never under any circumstances condemn the actions of an individual who behaves badly abusing their power because there are others who don’t?

Personally if someone in my profession was abusing their power and committing harmful crimes I’d very much want to discuss it and want to remove them from their role and face adequate consequences. I wouldn’t take people’s upset at that person as some sort of personal attack on me as an individual.

@PapaSierra Exactly. Well said!

The individual in question here was promptly suspended. He clearly couldn’t have been dismissed until found guilty. Anyone found guilty would then be promptly dismissed.

[quote PapaSierra]@cardibach Beverly Allitt is clearly not a man, but okay.
Nurses, doctors, dentists, pilots, firefighters - they don't deal with vulnerable people either then do they?[/quote]
Fair enough, I missed that. It’s overwhelmingly men though, right? You aren’t going to try to deny that? And you aren’t, surely, going to try to suggest it’s not as bad for the very people whose actual job is to protect us from crime to commit crime against us than for others? And I don’t really think pilots and firefighters do deal with vulnerable people in the same way. Nor most doctors, nurses and dentists.
However, all those crimes are horrible too. I can abhor them and crimes committed by the police at the same time.

@PapaSierra what a daft post. Honestly.

@PapaSierra - Police are responsible for the law... If they can’t act according to the law, then how are they suppose to keep us safe from other perpetrators? They can’t.

Wouldn’t we all prefer to know that misogyny is firmly removed from our Police service? Personally, I’m hoping there will be sweeping changes. We can’t carry on like this.

I’m not just concerned about the Police anyway. Judges - we clearly have a problem here. I can still remember my shock when a Judge referred to a child victim of SA as ‘not exactly innocent’ or some other bullshit. I’m paraphrasing and it was years ago but we’re still discussing it in 2021...

It doesn’t matter

People are allowed to discuss the case in the news

Beverley allitt was 30 years ago...naughty OP not starting a thread about them 30 years ago!

But let's just start another police bashing thread, thats easier.

It’s because it was in news from yesterday. It’s not “easy” to talk about another police officer attacking a woman and not getting properly punished. Do you think women enjoy discussing this sort of thing? We want it to stop.

2) Many Judges have no understanding of the huge consequences & damage caused by rape and male violence towards women and girls

Honestly, I don't think many judges have a clue about life outside their mansions. The two I saw during jury duty were posher than the queen and I just got the impression it was all a bit of fun for them, getting to see how the great unwashed lived, but never experiencing it themselves.

I do wonder, if any part of the police recruitment process addresses the fact that it is a career which gives you power and authority as well as access to and knowledge of vulnerable people. Surely it must attract these sorts of predators in the same way child abusers are attracted to working with children.

@PapaSierra postal workers and airline pilots and teachers etc aren’t taught surveillance techniques and haven’t had any sort of combat training last time I checked. They also aren’t the people you go to on the street to protect you from crimes. Police have to be held to a high standard and if there is an issue ( like, perhaps, the lowering of entrance standards under the current administration) those need to be dealt with before anymore hate crimes are committed against women.

@PapaSierra

I hope you started a thread in a similar vein against nurses when Beverly Allitt killed 4 babies in her care and attempted to kill 3 more.

And about doctors when Harold Shipman killed approximately 250 of his vulnerable, elderly patients.

And about pilots when Andreas Lubitz killed 150 passengers on board when he committed suicide.

And one about plastic surgeons when Jonathan Brooks attempted to murder his colleague.
And dentists after Colin Howell, a convicted double murderer.

And postal workers after Robert Yale Shulman murdered five prostitutes.

And taxi drivers after John Warboys after being convicted of 12 rapes, possibly 100 more.

And firefighters when John Leonard Orr murdered four people.

And teachers when Christopher Darler raped a student, had indecent images of children on his phone and blamed his 'Heavy workload'

When I worked in DV shelters it was pretty well accepted that about 20% of police officers were abusers. And were in a position to abuse more effectively and be protected by their colleagues. Not all police officers and the good ones hated the ones who did this. Same in the military. There are bad eggs in every occupation, but it is the prevalence which is the key.

Also havent the police force involved admitted that their follow up in this situation was woeful? It wasn’t just the offender himself it’s the entire system. When will standards of policing in violent crimes against women increase?

Some of the comments here are ignorant to the point of stupidity.

Read the (legally binding) sentencing guidelines for this offence and then say what else the judge could have done.