Can anyone say they have 100% stuck to covid rules for the last year?

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Just out of curiosity, can anyone say they completely have? e.g. no meeting up in groups slightly more than 6, sneaking the odd visitor in, not keeping a 1m distance when socialising, going out more than once a day in 1st lockdown... etc etc, just interested to know really!

why are people pretending that helping a sick relative is necessarily breaking the rules anyway?

A support bubble is a support network which links two households. You can form a support bubble with another household of any size only if you meet the support bubble eligibility rules.

...to provide care or assistance to someone vulnerable, or to provide respite for a carer

It's more common sense and within the guidelines than people creating "childcare bubbles" to justify meeting with friends, having sleepovers and generally living as normal.

Everybody who is a bit bored is calling the "mental health" card and justifying breaking the rules. THEY are the problems, not the ones following the guidelines.

My kids were in a room with 30 kids and 2 adults today.. that's within the rules, and I believe in their best interest.

but working and going to the shops is within the law. No one is saying that you can't go to work

@NormanStangerson

The holier-than-thous in here are ridiculous.

Would you honestly tell someone sitting inside with their dying relative, or a new mother with no support who needs help, or someone whose mental health is crumbling to dust because of the intense isolation, or someone who keeps an elderly person company, or someone who has to work to feed their families because their self employed and Rishi Sunak neglected to instigate any support for them initially, that they were “selfish fuckers” for not following the ever changing, ill-thought-out ‘rules’ dished out by the government? (Many members of which didn’t even bother follow them themselves).

No I wouldn't object to anyone doing those things (many of which are within the law anyway), but most people not following the law are not doing so for one of these reasons.

In my case, my DD has been in constant pain for over a year and is waiting for medical treatment, which she can't have because our local hospital has been full of Covid patients. The only thing, we as a family can personally do to get her treatment more quickly is to make sure that we are not in any way shape or form contributing to the further spread of Covid. By sticking to the "rules" absolutely.

Nope, I've seen my new grandchild several times, although I've not seen my vulnerable Dad in more than a year, I've weighed up the risks myself and feel I've been sensible.

I'm not sure that the rules really made sense in terms of 6 people meeting up inside and being able to share a restaurant table . If you are sitting around a table in a pub with people from other households then you are closer than 1m, definitely closer than 2m

So I could say that we didn't stick with the rules when seeing DS and his GF indoors last summer as we would have been closer than 1m/2m but what we were doing was allowed in a restaurant anyway .

I'm a bit confused with it now .

They are the only people we've seen indoors though . And only when we were allowed to meet indoors .

We also saw them in our garden when we were only meant to meet in parks . But I always thought that was a safer meet anyway .

Fence why haven't you seen your elderly parents for 18 months, the rules state you can support vulnerable people which is why I visit my elderly parents. . Unless by 'elderly' you mean over 60 - I am over 60 myself & support my parents who are in their 90s.

Some of us find it easier I guess because family are miles away so have to rely on officials doing their bit if they need help. Attended burial for six members of close relatives so were allowed to travel there and back in the one day very difficult when you are burying your mother but it’s not just about us. Very difficult in lots of ways but need to do our bit to reach the end of the restrictions. So tired of long distance communications, wishing we had seen the importance and made the extra effort to visit family last year in Jan/Feb before it all happened in March, but it’s what we have to cope with.

Yes. I’ve stuck to the rules. I can’t say I’ve always managed to stay 2m apart from someone outside, but I’ve not been in anyone else’s house, or had anyone inside.

I’m probably about 95%. Mainly standing too close to others outside in a howling gale in Scotland to chat because you couldn’t hear anyone if you didn’t. And we did a bit of sledging along with half the village in the snow.

The main indoor infraction I committed was to touch my dad when he had a mini stroke in front of me in the summer (at the time we were allowed indoors/overnight stays but not to touch anyone). Once I’d touched his face to see if he could feel my fingers and held his hand, not hugging him seemed silly. He was fine and recovered fully very quickly, but it was bloody scary.

Stuck to them say 95%

I had a family member inside for a few hours when my ceiling collapsed to help me in September. we stayed in separate rooms (through and through style open plan) so massively distanced and with windows open.

I have had 2 friends come to drop stuff off for me (unwell not covid) and ended up chatting to them at 3m distance in garden each for half an hour when rules are no garden socialising. (although I could walk with them but couldnt because unwell)

And have been on a few (maybe 5) non essential drives (again because couldnt walk so was to get out and clear head.) Don't go to any shops or anything so I figured it was the equivalent of a drive to a shop and back.

I don't believe I have put myself or anyone else in high risk danger by them. But no I haven't followed the rules 100% and I would say I am fairly strict on them.

No where except blood tests or hospital visits local shops as just down the road.

@DebbieGetsTheJobDone

why are people pretending that helping a sick relative is necessarily breaking the rules anyway?

A support bubble is a support network which links two households. You can form a support bubble with another household of any size only if you meet the support bubble eligibility rules.

...to provide care or assistance to someone vulnerable, or to provide respite for a carer

It's more common sense and within the guidelines than people creating "childcare bubbles" to justify meeting with friends, having sleepovers and generally living as normal.

Everybody who is a bit bored is calling the "mental health" card and justifying breaking the rules. THEY are the problems, not the ones following the guidelines.

My kids were in a room with 30 kids and 2 adults today.. that's within the rules, and I believe in their best interest.

Who are you to decide who's mental health problems are real and who's aren't?!

Mental health is not an excuse..

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Who are you to decide who's mental health problems are real and who's aren't?!

oh so let's all ignore all the rules, and all meet our friends and family, shall we?

If we could never hear about the flipping "mental health" after the covid crisis, it would do wonder to our sanity!

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@DebbieGetsTheJobDone

why are people pretending that helping a sick relative is necessarily breaking the rules anyway?

A support bubble is a support network which links two households. You can form a support bubble with another household of any size only if you meet the support bubble eligibility rules.

...to provide care or assistance to someone vulnerable, or to provide respite for a carer

It's more common sense and within the guidelines than people creating "childcare bubbles" to justify meeting with friends, having sleepovers and generally living as normal.

Everybody who is a bit bored is calling the "mental health" card and justifying breaking the rules. THEY are the problems, not the ones following the guidelines.

My kids were in a room with 30 kids and 2 adults today.. that's within the rules, and I believe in their best interest.

Who are you to decide that mental health doesn’t count as a reason?

I’ve had people in my house over lockdown. Lots of times. I am a new mother, my family haven’t met my baby, I had absolutely no postnatal support because all HV were furloughed and so with another few mums we banded together to help each other. And we totally and utterly broke the rules to do that. But to us, it was essential. Some of us were falling apart and there was no one to help us. We all tried to seek help and it was not forthcoming. So we helped ourselves.

If anyone had cold symptoms, they didn’t come. But no one has caught Covid. No one we know has caught Covid. But we are all still coping with our babies and we are now all the best of friends.

So the pious posters can call us “selfish fuckers” if you must but we did what we needed and I’d do it again.

NormanStangerson

people like you are exactly the reason why schools, baby groups, support groups are shut.

But I am glad you don't have to care about anyone else and you are enjoying yourself, it's not your own child who is suffering. Well done you.

NormanStangerson

It's especially shameful as people like you did not need to break the rules, and were provided for.

A childcare bubble is where one household links with one other household to provide informal childcare to anyone under 14.
Being in a childcare bubble does not stop you from forming a support bubble

but hey, your "mental health" meant you fancied ignoring all the restrictions and carrying on as normal.

I bet you'll be the first to whinge when your child will start missing out because of people like you.

Yes, up until the other week. Long term history of depression and have re-started and increased AD twice since June. By November on my third increase I gave it till March and then 1 year in (well a few weeks short) that was it for me.

I had a haircut last week and had already planned to have two friends down next week for drinks outside. It will now be legal. We did see DM on Christmas day inside for an hour which was permitted but we didn't do more than this although we could have.

I would travel further than permitted purely for a change of scenery - not to shop or to visit others, however DP has a licence which could be compromised if caught so he is understandably relucant.

Not going daft with breaking the rules but am confident in my own risk assessment.

Not 100% no. We had visitors when it was allowed and didn't stay 2m apart as my living room isn't big enough. I took shopping to my uncle and took it in for him rather than dumping it in the garden. If I fancy a bar of chocolate or a packet of crisps I go to the shop for it even though the holier than thous would say I shouldn't. I've been out somewhere and taken the long route home just to keep me out longer.

@NormanStangerson but you don't know what life is like for people. You don't know if they need additional support or not.
As I said further down the post, we break the rules weekly to have my sons friend over, his friend tried to commit suicide due to isolation.. so is that wrong? Should we ignore his cries for help and leave him isolated still?
I wish we'd broken the rules earlier.. I wish we'd let him have his friend over from the start. Maybe then a 15 year old boy wouldn't have felt the need to attempt to take his own life.

Don't have opinions on something you clearly have NO understanding about.

I was about to say I have stuck to the rules throughout but then I realised that actually I hadn't! I sat in my DF's house comforting him whilst he was doubled up in pain. My DSM called me in a panic as my DF was taken ill suddenly and she didn't know what to do. I called an ambulance, jumped in the car and sat in their house whilst waiting for a paramedic.

I won't apologise for comforting my DF whilst both he and my DSM were distressed. Thankfully good pain relief, a night in hospital and a quick diagnosis my DF was feeling much better.

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@DebbieGetsTheJobDone

NormanStangerson

people like you are exactly the reason why schools, baby groups, support groups are shut.

But I am glad you don't have to care about anyone else and you are enjoying yourself, it's not your own child who is suffering. Well done you.

We were getting together to support each other as new mothers. We had no postnatal support at all. None.

I had a very difficult pregnancy. I had no available support afterwards and a painful csection wound. A small group of four new mothers meeting regularly to help each other out with what a normal nappy looks like, holding someone’s screaming baby so they could sleep for an hour, helping to identify a CMPA baby and helping that new mum cope with her guilt and changing her diet, helping one to breast feed, another whose baby kept losing weight, another whose baby would not sleep...we helped each other because there was no one else to help us and we didn’t want to wind up burdening the already fucked NHS.

But sure, you’re right, what cunts we were, we should have stayed home and gone entirely to bits, to the detriment of ourselves and our new babies.