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To think that if the only black adult in your family says they have experienced racism...

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Overcastcloudy · 11/03/2021 14:14

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

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Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 12/03/2021 16:09

I would like to say the same but am less charitable about these things. Obviously my DNA after all

StillCoughingandLaughing · 12/03/2021 16:37

If you go back to my original point it was not about what I think Archie should have - I don't care one way or another - it was that Charles was not wise to distinguish between 2 brothers like that. If there had been 4 siblings and only the heir's children were made to be princes - that could not be seen as personal. But the way Charles has done it has caused offence, has seemed personal to Harry, particularly in the context that Harry's wife is foreign and not white. I can see why Harry would be offended.

But it is still only the heir’s children getting the title, whether that heir is one of two siblings or one of ten. And Charles hasn’t definitely made a decision not to make Archie a Prince when he comes to the throne - even Meghan said ‘I think’ that’s how it’s going to go. No one else has ever suggested this. For now, Archie is not a Prince because he’s not entitled to be one. Meghan also made it clear early on in the interview that she was displeased about him not getting a title NOW.

Jaxhog · 12/03/2021 16:55

Always remember we only hearing one side. And that from a bitter couple who feel hard done by. Who knows what the truth is?

Regarding the Prince business, if they change it for Archie, they'd have to change it for ALL the Queens great-grandchildren. That would not be compatible with slimming down the royalty. As and when Charles comes to the throne, Archie will automatically become a Prince. Unless of course, these two burn their boats completely before then.

Jaxhog · 12/03/2021 17:03

it was that Charles was not wise to distinguish between 2 brothers like that.

Err, no. They ARE different. One brother will be king and the other won't (or is very unlikely to be). Did you expect Charles to change that too?

Mrsmadevans · 12/03/2021 17:34

@Jaxhog

it was that Charles was not wise to distinguish between 2 brothers like that.

Err, no. They ARE different. One brother will be king and the other won't (or is very unlikely to be). Did you expect Charles to change that too?

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Cokie3 · 12/03/2021 17:41

@Jaxhog

Always remember we only hearing one side. And that from a bitter couple who feel hard done by. Who knows what the truth is?

Regarding the Prince business, if they change it for Archie, they'd have to change it for ALL the Queens great-grandchildren. That would not be compatible with slimming down the royalty. As and when Charles comes to the throne, Archie will automatically become a Prince. Unless of course, these two burn their boats completely before then.

@Jaxhog As and when Charles comes to the throne, Archie will automatically become a Prince.

That's the ENTIRE POINT! That is EXACTLY what Meghan and Harry are upset about because Charles wants to do away with Archie becoming Prince, totally.

You don't seem to even realise that is what it was over all along!

Marmaladeagain · 12/03/2021 17:44

Definitely don’t feel sorry for Harry - he is the only confirmed racist and sent on training courses after calling people P**i.

Aren’t the thread racist hunters worried about him or is that in the book of coded terminology as a good thing?

What’s inside his mind and heart has already been revealed by him calling people p**is. So not sure him now calling others racist really washes with me.

I don’t know anyone in real life that uses words like that.

What does the ‘book’ of coded racism terms say on that? It’s helped you spot lots of hidden racism on here, what does the ‘book’ or ‘research’ say about people like Harry?

Also shouting ‘racist’ at everyone doesn’t make you a good person. Sorry.

Topmum66 · 12/03/2021 17:48

Screaming racist at everyone and claiming to find hidden racism is very weak. When I’ve found people to be genuinely racist I call them out in a calm but specific way.

StillCoughingandLaughing · 12/03/2021 17:49

And for the fourth or fifth time, look at the interview and the actual quotes. Meghan initially says she expected Archie to be a Prince from birth, in line with Charlotte and Louis. Later on in the interview she said I think the plan is that they’ll change things so he’s not a Prince even when Charles is monarch. Not ‘I was told this’ - ‘I think’. And that’s a very useful praise of you want to imply something, but don’t want to be publicly proved wrong at a later date.

Cokie3 · 12/03/2021 17:52

@Topmum66

Screaming racist at everyone and claiming to find hidden racism is very weak. When I’ve found people to be genuinely racist I call them out in a calm but specific way.
And just what is your definition of a "genuinely racist" person?
Topmum66 · 12/03/2021 17:55

@Cokie3

More importantly what’s yours? Have you ever been the victim of actual racism?

I have been the butt of racist ‘jokes’ on two occasions and they were set straight in a no nonsense way.

May I ask for real examples of hidden racism on this thread?

Topmum66 · 12/03/2021 17:55

Or even outright examples of the racism you’ve seen on this thread.

Marmaladeagain · 12/03/2021 17:56

Yes Cokie - what do YOU call a racist.

Is Harry a racist for calling people P**is, or is that too difficult a concept for you to focus on? Someone actually being racist as opposed to the hidden racism you're an expert in.

What does the book of hidden racism say about Harry types? Being sent on training course on how not to be a racist? what DO you think on that?

queenofarles · 12/03/2021 18:16

Marmaladeagain :
Is Harry a racist for calling people P ?
Id really like to hear an honest answer for that, no one seems to be able to answer this on SM.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 12/03/2021 18:16

@Jaxhog

it was that Charles was not wise to distinguish between 2 brothers like that.

Err, no. They ARE different. One brother will be king and the other won't (or is very unlikely to be). Did you expect Charles to change that too?

Like a idiotic sports day at school when everyone wins a medal
Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 12/03/2021 18:21

Charles has apparently expressed in private he isn't thrilled about the interview (Understatement)

Also he is expecting in the future further interviews and stories (We aren't we all. What a mess)

queenofarles · 12/03/2021 18:23

What about the time he used the word rag to describe another officer 🤔?

Marmaladeagain · 12/03/2021 18:26

@queenofarles - luckily we have our very own MN experts on this very subject @Cokie3 and @Tzigane are surely composing an eloquent reply on why Harry isn't racist after all, but all the people on this thread are, once they've finished referencing their research on "hidden racism".

Remind me of those people that don't have anything witty to say, but imply they could have said some thing funny: "I could say something, but I won't"............with a self-satisfied nod.

Come on - is Harry racist?

theleafandnotthetree · 12/03/2021 18:28

@Thewordgame

He hasn’t spoken to his brother yet, even though his sister in law revealed she was suicidal at one point???? And experienced clear racism whilst living in the UK. He is a hypocrite if he supports mental health charities when he cannot even be arsed supporting his own brother.
Yes but what if he, like many people on these forums and elsewhere, think that she is not a credible person. Is he supposed to perform some charade of showing concern or apologising for something he hasnt done?
Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 12/03/2021 18:40

I think poor William has actually been supporting his brother for most of his life. Since his mother died and all that nastiness about her over the years. All the times Harry was such an embarrassment. Many families would have cut him off then and there. William has always stuck by him. Which is another reason why all this mess is a kick in the teeth.

Tzigane · 12/03/2021 18:48

@Jaxhog

Always remember we only hearing one side. And that from a bitter couple who feel hard done by. Who knows what the truth is?

Regarding the Prince business, if they change it for Archie, they'd have to change it for ALL the Queens great-grandchildren. That would not be compatible with slimming down the royalty. As and when Charles comes to the throne, Archie will automatically become a Prince. Unless of course, these two burn their boats completely before then.

Read the thread love.
Tzigane · 12/03/2021 18:51

@Jaxhog

it was that Charles was not wise to distinguish between 2 brothers like that.

Err, no. They ARE different. One brother will be king and the other won't (or is very unlikely to be). Did you expect Charles to change that too?

No shit. But the prince issue is one on which there was no difference but Charles created a difference.
Tzigane · 12/03/2021 18:53

@TopMum66

When I’ve found people to be genuinely racist I call them out in a calm but specific way

Precisely what Harry and Meghan have done.

BootsieBarnes · 12/03/2021 18:58

Harry threw his brother and his SIL under the bus. William is quite rightly pissed off. This is the kind of accusation that you can never put to bed because it's vague enough for people to speculate and pick over but never quite pin down. It will fester and cast a long shadow over William and his family.

Racism is unacceptable. It needs to clear its unacceptable in our society and won't be tolerated. To stamp it out it needs people to stand up and pinpoint where it is coming from and for people to be accountable for their actions.

Meghan has done a disservice to those experiencing racism by not making it clear who said it. There can never be a clear resolution to what she is saying happened to her. Therefore that positive example to those who want to come forward and for action to be taken is not there.

Equally anti semitism is unacceptable. It seems to be increasingly prevalent in society and needs to be addressed. Perhaps Harry should have addressed this and pointed out dressing as Nazi is extremely offensive and distressing to those who lost a whole generation to Nazi genocide. He would have increased his credibility in being able to lecture on equality if he acknowledged his own past racist and anti semitism.

Tzigane · 12/03/2021 19:05

@Marmaladeagain

Is it too much to ask that contributers to the thread could actually read it? I've covered this already.

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