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Whether to confront a friend or let things go??

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Sandybeach20 · 10/03/2021 22:21

Hello.

I would really appreciate some opinions regarding something that has been worrying me for sometime now. I will try to keep this as brief as possible.

Sometime ago I lent a friend (in need) £1700. I won’t go into exactly what it was for but my friend was desperate and as far as I could see the money was put towards a good cause in helping one of her very close family members. I had known my friend for 7 years through work so I trusted her. She appeared very stressed about needing this money so I offered it to her and she seemed very grateful at the time. She said that she would pay me back the money within a matter of months and wrote this down and signed it.

However, shortly after I lent her the money the family member died. She was understandably heartbroken and I tried my best to support her. As the months followed, the agreed time for paying back the loan came and went. I didn’t say anything at the time because I felt so much for her regarding her loss of this family member.

However, my friend never again mentioned the money I’d lent her. I admit I began to feel frustrated because I had no idea what was happening with it. In the end I sent her a text almost a year after I’d lent her the money to ask for an update on it. She texted back an apology but said her family member dying had obviously affected things and delayed her ability to pay me back right now. I told her that I realised it must have been hard and was just asking for an update so I could sort my finances. From then on our personal contact began to fizzle out.

I thought I’d leave it a little longer before I asked again as I worried I was being insensitive by asking too soon into her grief. Another 10 months went by and still nothing (despite us seeing each other at work as she is a colleague) so I texted again to ask for an update. This time I asked to be kept updated. I was pregnant with my second child and about to go on maternity leave which she already knew about so I made it clear the money would be very useful. She stated she would keep me updated.

It’s now been almost 3 years since I lent her the money and she has stopped contacting me completely. She didn’t even congratulate me on the arrival of my baby which hurt. I am left feeling confused and upset and like I have done something wrong, otherwise why would my friend be blanking me this way? If she was having problems getting the money, she’d only have to talk to me about it and I’d be happy to work something out. It’s the uncertainty I am struggling with and am worried I have perhaps not been supportive enough. At other times I feel angry at her, like when I see her joking happily and apparently carefree with other colleagues. I also feel angry at myself for not sticking up for myself. I hate myself for being such a wuss, confrontation scares me.

I suffered terribly with my mental health as a child and young adult and although I’m so much better now in my early thirties my confidence is still very fragile. I think the issue is not so much the money but how the whole thing has weakened my sense of self-worth. I feel I am to blame for all of this and am at a point I am tearful about this much of the time and I’m scared to go back to work after maternity ends. My DH says that it’s ridiculous I blame myself and I should have been firmer with her earlier but that’s easier said than done for me.

I am not sure what to do but I need to do something as it’s all so upsetting. Should I just leave it and put it down to experience and my friend having things tough or should I toughen up and just ask her straight what is going on?

Sorry this is so long, your thoughts would be appreciated.

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olympicsrock · 10/03/2021 22:48

This is not your fault. She is clearly embarassed ans anxious about it. I agree with others . She may appreciate an acheivable repayment plan.

Movedtothedge · 10/03/2021 22:50

She’s a user and was never really a good friend. Even if her finances were still tight she could have offered to re-pay £20-50/month but she’s not even offered you that.

Seek help from Citizens Advice for the best way to proceed; it could be that just a letter from a solicitor might be enough to jolt her into re-paying you or you may need to go to court.

FOJN · 10/03/2021 22:50

Your friend is avoiding contact with you because she does not want to pay you back. I think you need to deal with your emotions about it as a separate issue, it's worrying that your friends appalling behaviour has damaged your self worth, you are not responsible for her actions.

Can you email her? Keep it brief and to the point, do not give her wiggle room or the opportunity to dictate a payment schedule, she's had 3 years to do that. "Dear x, I lent you £1700 on x date, you agreed to repay the loan by x date but did not do so. I have asked multiple times about when I can expect payment but 3 years on the loan remains unpaid. I would like payment by x date or I will pursue the matter through the small claims court".
I'd be inclined to included a link from the SCC which details your right to seek repayment with interest.

I appreciate you will find this difficult but I can't see how letting her take advantage of you in such a way will improve your confidence.

Porridgeoat · 10/03/2021 22:53

Text her again

‘ hi friend , I’m in a difficult financial situation and really need my cash. Please organise a monthly direct debit to my account of £150 a month (or more if you can afford it). My details are xxxxx and xxxx.

LittleMimi · 10/03/2021 22:55

Sadly she’s ruined the friendship so there’s nothing to be lost from speaking up. Like others say tell her you need the money and want to form a payment plan if she’s not able to pay straight away. If she doesn’t pay then say you’ll be forced to take her to court. It’s too much money to write off.

Porridgeoat · 10/03/2021 22:56

Be direct. Give her your bank details and request a standing order. Forget all this wishy washy asking for an update with no direction on how to resolve the debt

MirandaGoshawk · 10/03/2021 22:57

She is not your friend. She has used you. You have gone out of your way to be reasonable, but she is clearly hoping you will write this off. Do whatever is best for you: write it off/solicitors letter/tell her your patience has expired and she can borrow from a bank and pay you within one month. Whatever you decide, take action now so that you can put this behind you and move on with your life. Don't let it drag on any longer.

Somethingkindaoooo · 10/03/2021 22:58

OP
I think when people are ashamed of their behaviour, they deal with it by cutting out whatever it is that reminds them.

Totally not your fault.

LondonLass61 · 10/03/2021 22:59

You have been very thoughtful, nice and sound like a lovely friend. As stated, she's a cheeky bitch who is feeding off of your nice nature. Go to the small claims court with your proof, letter and texts - it's very straightforward and also check your house insurance to see if you have legal cover.
You sound like a very nice person and I wish you well.

Torvean · 10/03/2021 23:02

Small claims court. The Ford are a pest. But sometimes just the person getting the letter makes them pay up.

I did it. I got my money back.

Your friend is being very selfish.

Torvean · 10/03/2021 23:03

*The forms are a pest

MapGirlExtraordinaire · 10/03/2021 23:04

If she is a work colleague then there is a chance this could turn sour if she gossips about you bullying her etc.

Not sure what pp think but I think a confidential word with HR might be an idea to get your story in record first in case things kick off

Definitely chase this, it's too much money and she's behaved awfully. The bereavement period was over long ago, time to pay up, ideally with interest and flowers to apologise

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 10/03/2021 23:07

@MapGirlExtraordinaire

If she is a work colleague then there is a chance this could turn sour if she gossips about you bullying her etc.

Not sure what pp think but I think a confidential word with HR might be an idea to get your story in record first in case things kick off

Definitely chase this, it's too much money and she's behaved awfully. The bereavement period was over long ago, time to pay up, ideally with interest and flowers to apologise

Agree with this. Get the forms ready to go. Write to HR to advise them of the situation making it clear that you have a signed agreement, clear written messages asking for the money to be returned, and intend to pursue the matter in small claims. The letter is for awareness in case any allegation is made against you by this individual in the workplace. Then get on with it. Or write it off, your choice.
junebirthdaygirl · 10/03/2021 23:09

I had the same happen with a friend and l actually wrte off the loan as it was becoming very awkward between us. Also every time l saw her spending money it was getting under my skin eg she bought her dd a Mac computer going to college while l bought mine a regular one. Yet she made no effort to pay. Eventually the friendship fizzled out.
It has been a big lesson to me and l will see not lending in future as more of a kindness.
But l had nothing written down and l never asked her for it back..she just made no effort so then l said after a while..consider it a gift.
You have lost the friendship. She is not a nice person. You sound lovely. Go after her!!

Sandybeach20 · 10/03/2021 23:13

Thank you all so much for your supportive words and advice. It’s so easy for things to perhaps get distorted in your head when you don’t talk to anyone about a problem. You are helping me get this in perspective and yes, I think not saying anything will not help my self worth. I will consider proposing a payment plan first and see what comes of that, I am happy for £50 a month as long as she’s showing willing. If all else fails I do have plenty of texts and her written word for the small claims court. Time I grew a back bone! The hard thing is going to be going back to work and working along side her but I guess I will just have to get on with it. I do worry how she’ll be and whether she’s said untoward things to others about me as they’re bound to ask her how I am whilst on maternity as we were good friends. I don’t know this though.

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Chloemol · 10/03/2021 23:13

If she signed something it’s a loan, I would contact her one more time, and if nothing is forthcoming take her to small claims court

Then if she doesn't pay that ( assuming you win) I would bump to the High Court to send the sheriffs out

She’s taking the piss

eeek88 · 10/03/2021 23:16

Firstly stop blaming yourself. You did a kind thing, acting in good faith, for someone you believed was a friend. Not your fault they were a massive disappointment.

Secondly decide how hard you are prepared to fight for it. If you can afford to write it off and chalk it up to experience, that’s definitely the easiest option. But if you really need / want the money back then the options mentioned above might work. Or might not. Personally I’d struggle to let it drop without some kind of final word, whether that’s the suggestion of a £50/month direct debit, and failing that a request that she remembers the £1700 she nicked from you every time she has to interact with you as it’s clear she’s not going to be doing anything more useful than that so she may as well at least live with the bad feelings it’s caused.

Thirdly, learn from this and don’t do it again (but don’t beat yourself up about a one-off error of judgment either). I learned the same lesson with an almost identical sum of money and it was hard and horrible at the time. I did eventually get the money back but only because mutual friends stepped in. To this day I don’t know if they clubbed together to raise the money, or leaned on the loaner more strenuously than I could. Anyway he did message me years later, long after leaving the country and my life altogether, to thank me very profusely for the loan and apologise for his awful behaviour. So that was something.

These days I never lend money. If anybody asks I say I don’t want to risk our friendship over a loan but I can afford to give them x amount (usually £30 - £50) on the understanding that I won’t be asking for it back, they can pay me back if they want, but if they don’t pay me back they can’t ask for any more. It works well. I’ve saved thousands this way!

Snowball70 · 10/03/2021 23:16

@Chloemol

If she signed something it’s a loan, I would contact her one more time, and if nothing is forthcoming take her to small claims court

Then if she doesn't pay that ( assuming you win) I would bump to the High Court to send the sheriffs out

She’s taking the piss

yes do this 🌺

Sandybeach20 · 10/03/2021 23:17

junebirthdaygirl
It’s not nice is it? I’m sorry this happened to you too. Yes, sometimes best to put things down to a learning experience. Like you, I will not be lending money again.

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Purpleneonpinkunicorns · 10/03/2021 23:17

Shes not a friend at all and I was to of got a loan off a bank for a relative and they died she would still have to pay it back.

I would speak to citizens advice in the morning as I also think (not 100%) there might be a time limit of how long you can take them to court after the loan not being paid. Citizen advice will know for sure.

FFSAllTheGoodOnesArereadyTaken · 10/03/2021 23:18

I'd give her one last chance. There is a chance its because you've not really been pushing that hard that's why she has not paid (which doesn't mean it's your fault, she should absolutely have paid when she said it was). Asking 'what's going on' with the money implies she has a choice. I'd say you need it back now and will be taking legal steps if it's not paid back. And if you want to be kind you can give her the choice of up front or in instalments with interest. If she says anything about her relative or any other sob story say you are sorry for her loss but personal circumstances don't change her financial obligation to you and you have already been more than flexible. You can always get a solicitor to write s letter or write one yourself and send it recorded delivery and keep a copy to make it more official. And I would lodge this with HR or a manager at work, not because they need to take action but because they may need to be aware that one colleague is threatening another with legal action, and it also protects you if things go sour in the future as it will be more proof that she is to blame. I would keep a record of all correspondence between you even if just texts.

Emeraldshamrock · 10/03/2021 23:19

I wouldn't let her away with it. If she genuinely couldn't pay it back and offered updates I'd feel different but she is taking the piss.
I'd email first with a deadline date and threat of legal action.
I'm sorry she took advantage of your kind nature.
I doubt you're the first.
Congratulations on the baby. Flowers

ILovesPeanuts · 10/03/2021 23:23

You've been way too nice and she's taken advantage. It's a lot of money. I'd put it in writing to her - like a letter before action, telling her you'll take her to small claims court unless she pays it by a set date, as it's been 3 years with not a penny back or even updates unless you ask and it's now time to start paying, not making further empty promises.

FOJN · 10/03/2021 23:25

The hard thing is going to be going back to work and working along side her but I guess I will just have to get on with it. I do worry how she’ll be and whether she’s said untoward things to others about me

You have been very patient and tolerant and have done nothing to feel ashamed or embarrassed about. If your "friend" speaks badly of you to colleagues then she's a CF of the highest order.

I think a payment plan scheduled over a long period of time would give you frequent problems if she was unreliable and would also leave the matter hanging over you for longer than necessary. I would ask for the full amount by a certain date so you can draw a line under it. Keep in mind she's had 3 years to pay you in installments and she has decided to avoid even talking to you about it. Just as you are not responsible for her behaviour you are not responsible for resolving any financial problems she may have, you tried helping with that 3 years ago.

Pinkfreesias · 10/03/2021 23:25

As it already seems your friendship is over, and (hopefully) you have copies of all the texts promising to pay you back, you've really nothing to lose by taking her to the small claims court. IIRC, you need to search for 'money claims online' to start your claim. Upload copies of all the relevant documents, screenshots etc and go from there. You pay a fee upfront and the amount depends on how much you're claiming. When you win, this amount is added to the figure the respondent has to pay back to you.

You have done nothing wrong so please don't feel bad. You did a good thing for a friend and she let you down, fobbed you off and is now ignoring you. If a family member was telling you about this experience happening to them, you'd tell them it wasn't their fault, wouldn't you.