To be disgusted with the government and increasingly negative about life in this country.

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I'm not sure if it is getting older and having more experience of things not going very well or that politicians seem to have becomes more and more dishonourable and self serving to the extent that many in the current cabinet are happy to tell bare faced lies to the general public and give extremely lucrative contracts to the chums.

I feel that the general public are increasingly manipulated by the very small percentage of super wealthy and privileged inidividuals in power and by the media who act in tandem with them. Johnson really seems to be a master manipulator and liar but still so many seem to think he is doing a good job. Williamson has been beyond incompetent and has made some embarrassing gaffs. Patel has been accused of bullying and there has apparently been a large payout made. Rishi professes to be honest and likes to 'level with us' (and apparently some believe him according to the polls) but has increased taxes for the poor and middle-higher earners but failed to increase capital gains tax or inheritance tax at all which would affect the wealthy and deliberately put a rocket under the housing market pushing the prices up a ridiculous amount and further out of reach of FTB and lower earners/ those without family money. Jenrick has been caught out telling lies on several occasions, the Cummings fiasco, enough said!

The media has served the government's purpose well. They are pitting public sector workers against private sector, furloughed workers against NHS workers asking for more than a 1% pay rise and it is working brilliantly. Instead of all working together and taking collective responsibility for the society we live in there is in-fighting and the wealthy happily taking more and more from people who can't afford housing or food for their children at the lowest end of the scale (and many others in the middle). There seems to be so much more of an 'every man for himself' attitude in more recent decades and less thought for society as a whole.
There is also the lie perpetuated about how there is no money for funding essential services, UC, free school meals, etc but yet there have been billions for track and trace, millions wasted on PPE which was substandard without any apparent thought. The government can create money via the B of E when it suits them and it is a political choice not to fund certain things and to fund others.

Does anyone else feel this way?

I wholeheartedly agree with you OP.

Completely agree. It’s depressing as I don’t see how it will ever change? The rich just get richer and more powerful.

Yes it's depressing. Only few people really benefit from this government but people will still vote for them and I really can't understand why. Especially after the 1% increase in NHS workers saying there is no money etc but the chums of the government are getting billions. A lot of people I know are planning to leave the country as the quality of life has really gone down hill and things especially rent have gotten so expensive

Cant be all that bad considering the number of people risking their lives to come here

I completely agree. They are an utter disgrace.

For once I am happy with government & really pleased the way things are goingi got my covid jab, schools open for ALL tomorrow & finally I can start work in the not too distant future so I am sooo proud to be British the way we have managed this pandemic makes me feel full of pride!

YANBU

I would add that "ordinary" MPs used to seem to have a lot more say than they do now.

For whatever reason, they too seem to have become a bit of an irrelevance to those at the very top.

We get the politicians we deserve.

The people of England do.

Unfortunately those same individuals are inflicted on other countries who haven't voted for them.

It's time for that to end.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

Agreed. Maybe I'm getting old but back in the day govt had to at least pretend not to be dishonest and entirely self-serving. But I don't agree that we get the politicians we deserve - who do you vote for when all the options are bad?

Also most people didn't vote for these cunts.

I am sooo proud to be British the way we have managed this pandemic makes me feel full of pride!

You are joking aren't you?

Please tell me that you're joking!

@thereisonlyoneofme

Cant be all that bad considering the number of people risking their lives to come here

If people actually had a choice then they probably won't come here. The way immigrants are treated here are appalling.

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder

We get the politicians we deserve.

The people of England do.

Unfortunately those same individuals are inflicted on other countries who haven't voted for them.

It's time for that to end.

No we don't. Even in England, most people didn't vote for this shower of cunts.

YANBU

I think a major part of it is quite a lot of people being disinterested in politics. The number of people I know who say "Oh, I'm not into politics!" or "They're all the same, so it doesn't matter!" or "It just depresses me so I don't read it"... and then who get upset when things happen because of bad politics - like the hospital or library under threat. "They can't do that, can they?" etc. and yet they never bothered reading up on what was happening beforehand, have never written to their MP, etc etc.
There seems to be so, so much despondency, acknowledgment that it's terrible, but acceptance. An elderly woman I met at a bus stop had been waiting for an hour because of reduction in services and yet she said "well, we just can't afford it anymore, can we? We all need to tighten our belts".

That's what's really depressing - that so many people just think it's normal for things to get worse and worse, rather than looking at voting differently at the very least, and to demand something much better. I don't think there's enough awareness of how much better services are in many European countries, for example, or how we really do have enough money in the country to pay for things like youth centres, libraries, subsidised transport, decent social services and safety nets when it's not siphoned off into dodgy contracts and so on. We need to demand higher standards.

"Even in England, most people didn't vote for this shower of cunts"

Exactly. First past the post is a rubbish system. There are more people in England alone who voted against the Tories, but our votes don't count.
It would help if the 'left' made some sort of coalition. The right only has one party, but anything centre or to the left gets split into different parties.

Yes.

thereisonlyoneofme
Cant be all that bad considering the number of people risking their lives to come here

Despite what the clicks for profit Daily Heil and assorted low-vibrational gutter press tell you, this by far isn't the main sought destination for Asylum Seekers. Who are normally coming from countries decimated by the political war games played by USA and UK.

I'm not sure it should be "UK" as NI, Scotland, Wales seem to be an afterthought or discounted by politicians et al. It's all about England.

Anyway OP YANBU. The government don't even bother to hide their 'money for me & my pals' schemes, and the right wing press are laughing all the way to the bank too

YANBU

Yanbu

I don't know much about politics in ITaly Spain or Germany but have friends in France and the vitriol against Macron is similar to that against Boris he was supposed to be a new better way of doing politics and most perceive he is just as bad if not worse than his predecessors once in cosy Paris political bubble.

I have no doubt some go into politics with right motives but once in a Westminister or Holyrood or Cardiff bubble ( and probably Paris Rome Madrid Berlin, Copenhagen or Washington too) they seem to forget what real life is and think they are in a giant game of stragetic chess when winning for your team is more important that what is right for the country you represent

Agree with all these comments. NOTHING is a resigning issue anymore, not even appalling, immoral or proven criminal behaviour. They’re not even sorry for it either. At least in the era of Major, politicians would have the shame and conscience to step down or apologise if they had made a mistake even 1/10 of the gravity of the fuck ups the current government are making.

The last decade in this country has been the most appalling, depressing and toxic in politics.

The media have been utterly appalling at holding the government to account for the last decade. Illegal behaviour, incompetence, cronyism, lies and billions and billions of taxpayer money siphoned off and all the media do is write articles about Boris Johnson’s weight loss or the audacity of severely underpaid and overworked nurses asking to be paid fairly for the work they put in.

OP I felt we had the worst Prime Minister ever and that most of the cabinet are some of the worst ever to hold their post several months ago. I am sure you probably did too, just raising it now as it gets even worse. I was criticised for advocating criminal charges against Mr Johnson for corporate manslaughter, a view I have not changed. The only reason why I think Mr Johnson should not hang is because I do not believe in the death penalty.

@Morgoth you don't have to look to John Major's government as the most recent example. Theresa May sacked a close political ally and friend (Damien Green) for breaching the ministerial code, and Gavin Williamson for leaks.

@peak2021

OP I felt we had the worst Prime Minister ever and that most of the cabinet are some of the worst ever to hold their post several months ago. I am sure you probably did too, just raising it now as it gets even worse. I was criticised for advocating criminal charges against Mr Johnson for corporate manslaughter, a view I have not changed. The only reason why I think Mr Johnson should not hang is because I do not believe in the death penalty.

@Morgoth you don't have to look to John Major's government as the most recent example. Theresa May sacked a close political ally and friend (Damien Green) for breaching the ministerial code, and Gavin Williamson for leaks.

You’re correct @peak2021. Despite her faults, I did think she made some good decisions in the sackings of incompetents or ministers who behaved badly. She also sacked Priti Patel instantly for treason if I remember right. I didn’t agree with her policies but I did respect that she had a low tolerance for law-breaking, incompetence and backstabbers.