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Not to understand why just one visitor is allowed in Care Homes if older people have been vaccinated?

67 replies

CatAndHisKit · 20/02/2021 23:59

Is it purely because they only had one dose - which does protect from serious symptoms, or is it going to be the same after two doses?

What's the point of being vaccinated then, if they still need to shield?!
Also if the person visiting lives with their DC, they would all be carriers of virus if one of the hoiusehold infected, so why not allow the same household to visit?

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BackforGood · 21/02/2021 00:07

Because the visitors probably won't have ?

Because they want to limit the exposure to people coming in from outside?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/02/2021 00:09

They haven’t all been though? And the visitors are unlikely to have been.

I think we have to take it softly softly with the vaccines and not just assume it’s total protection.

Kollamoolitumarellipawkyrollo · 21/02/2021 00:12

Because vaccinated people can still carry it and care home workers’ families won’t have all been vaccinated.

Bellabelloo · 21/02/2021 00:14

And it's not 100% effective. My friend's mum is in a care home. Had the vaccine 4 weeks ago and is now seriously ill with covid. My friend has been told to say her goodbyes. Hopefully her mum is in the minority of people who will still get seriously ill. Doesn't make it any easier for her family though...

ErrolTheDragon · 21/02/2021 00:16

They've only had one dose, and we don't yet have data on very old/ infirm people re efficacy I would think.

1Morewineplease · 21/02/2021 00:18

Not all care home staff have been vaccinated. The first dose needs at least 3weeks to afford some immunity.
Have you not read the news?

sonnysunshine · 21/02/2021 00:26

It's only 70-90% effective for the original strains of covid.
They aren't sure if you can be infectious even if you have been infected and care homes mean easy spread.
The vaccine may not be effective against new strains.

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CatAndHisKit · 21/02/2021 00:27

1More I do follow the news - I've heard that all over 70s have now been vaccinated (unless they didn;t want to be) in the community, and all care homes in England. Even if some have not been yet, I obviously mean those who did do the vaccinations as that was the gist of my post.
I've just heard on the news today about one visitor being allowed - so yes, I follow the news, hence the question.

Bella yes, I think for some people with very serious underlying conditions, it may fail, not 100% effective.

Ok, I think it's right to wait for the 2d dose, as some of the posters are saying, hopefully that will be soon.

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whatmakesmesad · 21/02/2021 00:32

Because vaccinated people can still carry it and care home workers’ families won’t have all been vaccinated

Tbh I will give more of a shit about this when 100% of Care workers have had their vaccines. Currently 1/3 have refused them yet apparently I as a family member am the person posing greatest risk to my loved one who I’ve been barred from seeing for a year.

Masterpieceontheshelf · 21/02/2021 00:37

@whatmakesmesad

Because vaccinated people can still carry it and care home workers’ families won’t have all been vaccinated

Tbh I will give more of a shit about this when 100% of Care workers have had their vaccines. Currently 1/3 have refused them yet apparently I as a family member am the person posing greatest risk to my loved one who I’ve been barred from seeing for a year.

Why have 1/3 of care home workers refused them? That seems an oddly high proportion?
Kollamoolitumarellipawkyrollo · 21/02/2021 00:40

@whatmakesmesad

Because vaccinated people can still carry it and care home workers’ families won’t have all been vaccinated

Tbh I will give more of a shit about this when 100% of Care workers have had their vaccines. Currently 1/3 have refused them yet apparently I as a family member am the person posing greatest risk to my loved one who I’ve been barred from seeing for a year.

That (if the stat is correct) is no fault of the families who could be put at risk.
Beaniecats · 21/02/2021 00:42

You tell me
It seems vaccinations won't mean any lifting of restrictions which is unacceptable

whatmakesmesad · 21/02/2021 00:42

@Masterpieceontheshelf www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56065986 from a few days ago. Implies that they need more “encouragement and persuasion”. It is likely because there is higher vaccine hesitancy among BAME groups, which in turn make up a higher proportion of the social care workforce.

LaurieFairyCake · 21/02/2021 00:44

I'm confused Confused

I thought vaccinated people had 100% protection against death, 90% against serious disease etc

I'm sure I read that they'd done trials where none had died after having the vaccine

whatmakesmesad · 21/02/2021 00:45

@Kollamoolitumarellipawkyrollo but why should the families of residents be kept out to protect the families of people who choose not to have their vaccine? If they want their families protected they can start by protecting themselves.

glassshoes · 21/02/2021 00:47

The vaccine isn't 100 percent effective, a lot of people won't have had their second dose, not clear that the vaccine doesn't stop the transmission of the virus, risk to unvaccinated visitors, family members of staff etc.

Masterpieceontheshelf · 21/02/2021 00:51

[quote whatmakesmesad]@Masterpieceontheshelf www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56065986 from a few days ago. Implies that they need more “encouragement and persuasion”. It is likely because there is higher vaccine hesitancy among BAME groups, which in turn make up a higher proportion of the social care workforce.[/quote]
Thanks what

If I was a government advisor, I probably wouldn't have guys like Boris and Matt trying to appeal to these carers - they are hardly people you can put your faith in?

Not surprising how some groups in society are suspicious of the state, given as to how they get treated.

RedMarauder · 21/02/2021 00:51

@LaurieFairyCake

I'm confused Confused

I thought vaccinated people had 100% protection against death, 90% against serious disease etc

I'm sure I read that they'd done trials where none had died after having the vaccine

With any vaccine there are people who don't develop antibodies to the disease they are being vaccinated against so can easily develop the disease even though they have been vaccinated.. Older people have immune systems that don't work as well as younger adults, let alone children, so they are more likely to fall into this category.

As PPs have pointed out, the Covid vaccines reduces your chances of ending up in hospital with serious disease if you develop an immune response e.g. the vaccine works for you. While the vaccine also helps limit transmission it is not 100%.

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/02/2021 00:57

There will be pregnant staff, residents with allergies, preexisting conditions and medications that mean they can't have it. And on and on. Caution is good.

whatmakesmesad · 21/02/2021 01:02

@MrsTerryPratchett do you have an immediate family member in a care home?

EL8888 · 21/02/2021 01:06

@MrsTerryPratchett exactly. Plus the vaccine doesn’t have a 100% success rate anyway

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/02/2021 01:32

I have people I love that work in them.

Sushirolls · 21/02/2021 01:42

I have refused it as it's not even a vaccine, it's still in trial until 2023 and is a gene therapy. I also have DM in a care home so I'm coming from both angles. She hasn't had it either.

The one person rule is idiotic.

Anyway, the government have no intention of relaxing things, even when people have had it, people need to wake up.

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CatAndHisKit · 21/02/2021 01:45

Currently 1/3 have refused them yet apparently I as a family member am the person posing greatest risk to my loved one who I’ve been barred from seeing for a year.

exactly!
Re the effectivess of vaccine - yes, it's 70-90% effective in terns on not having any symptoms, but about 99% effective against death / serious symptoms. As Laurie says too.

The whole point of vaccinating older people first is, to prevent deaths / serious symptoms where hospitalisation is needed. That's what is already known it's good for. So that we can get out of the lockdown. Younger people who work in care homes (and not in priority vax groups for medical reasons) are at much less of a risk.

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CatAndHisKit · 21/02/2021 01:47

Sushi can you explain re gene therapy, is it a theory?

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