THANKS A LOT BREXITEERS (and good luck when you order items from abroad)!

[customchaos]

I recently bought some art through an online website (think, a bit like Etsy, but not that one). So the item was £400, plus £140 delivery, which I did think it was a lot, but it was being shipped from Russia. Anyway, two weeks later, I get an email from the website company, to tell me the item is being held at the depot and I am required to contact Parcelforce to pay a customs tax. I phoned up and the tax is to the tune of £140. For an item costing £400! Apparently this is the new post-Brexit norm. Just to get what you have ordered over the border!

I’ve also ordered more art from Bulgaria which is apparently in its way now and I’m really worried as this was more expensive (just under £3000). Does this mean I going to be charged another ridiculous amount as customs tax?

I’ve been on to HMRC today and they are no help, beyond saying “yes this is because of Brexit,” “No we’re not sure if you’ve been charged the right amount or why,” and “You will need to pay first and them make a claim if you think you’ve been overcharged.”

So basically, is this the end of ordering from abroad? What madness is this?

I'd say a lot of people are missing the point here. Replace the word "art" with "excavator" and you start to see the extent of the problem.

Traffic has reduced by 50% at UK ports after January's delays.

I don't think we will go back to the 70's and not have orange juice, I mean you really think we only got that because of eu , not because of various factors.
There will be bumps in the road and especially at first but maybe judge more come the end of the year when everyone is more used to things , we can't just go back in just like that so we have to learn how to adapt ,

@PurpleTrilby

I remember the 70s, the pre EU time. It was utterly bland. Orange juice was a luxury starter in restaurants. Does that sound ridiculous? Well it should. But those halcyon days of brexshiteets are here again! Fuck you, everyone who voted leave. You were either thick or selfish or both. And you've fucked us all.

Food was a lot less exotic everywhere in the 70s, it's not really to do with the EU.

Also all figures now will also be impacted by covid , you can't compare last jan to this jan , and whilst they are likely down, some will be to covid as lots of restaurants are not buying the quantities they were etc
We may get better idea come summer

@Mrstwiddle

If it encourages people to buy local, I think it’s actually a positive.

It’s not going to though is it? You buy the art you like, not the art you don’t particularly like but it was painted in Birmingham so it’ll have to do.

If I wanted to buy a Velasquez (or the £3k equivalent), I wouldn’t think “oh well, Tracey Emin is almost the same”. Because it clearly isn’t.

@SpaceRaiders

People saying "diddums" don't seem to get the wider implications for the economy, and for their lives in terms of buying, selling and exporting goods and how the extra taxes will be bad for our economy, from the little person to the huge company or rich man.

YY Wine, Prosecco, cheese and or milk products, ham, bacon, will all be more expensive for a start. The majority of the food we eat comes from abroad!

Didn’t we have a poster claiming Brexit would be brilliant because she and her neighbours could all swap home-grown turnips instead of buying revolting foreign muck.

Erm, ebay let you know if there are import fees.
There have always been import fees, before brexit! This is not new! Have you been living under a rock?

Don’t know who you spoke too ( if at all) but of-course you’ve been charged fees

No - the difference is, normally when you order from India, USA or wherever, the import taxes are included within any delivery charge you pay upfront

No, this is NOT true.
I have been stung by import charges MULTIPLE times BEFORE Brexit,

Some Websites will state there may customs and import charges etc

Counties outside the EU have always had import fees, that's nothing to do with brexit. Why not buy something produced in the U.K. instead? much better for the environment too

I think this is a good move for the UK. Encouraging people to buy British will help British businesses and our economy.

I certainly dont understand why anyone would buy anything from Russia. Its a dictatorship that has just imprisoned the opposition leader after they failed trying to assassinate him. And not so long since they deployed chemical weapons in the UK.

@StephenBelafonte

You - and people like you - are the reason that I - and people like me - voted Brexit.

Waa!!!! boohoo!!!!! my art costs more now!!!!

And that was an astounding act of self harm on theirs and your part. The wealth divide will only grow.

@Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst

Is this thread for real?? My £3k of "foreign art" Ffs I think as a nation we all have bigger fish to fry to be perfectly frank and everyone knew this would happen months ago so why order stuff if you are going to be unwilling to pay the additional charges???

I'm glad your brought the subject of fish up.

Fish were certainly a big part of the BREXIT IS GOING TO BE WONDERFUL narrative.

Except now, the fish industry seems to have been left to rot, shall we say.

Oh dear. Another Brexit win!

@Magnificentmug12

You can leave you know, no one is forcing you to live here with our high art import tax fees

Mug by name...

@customchaos

I recently bought some art through an online website (think, a bit like Etsy, but not that one). So the item was £400, plus £140 delivery, which I did think it was a lot, but it was being shipped from Russia. Anyway, two weeks later, I get an email from the website company, to tell me the item is being held at the depot and I am required to contact Parcelforce to pay a customs tax. I phoned up and the tax is to the tune of £140. For an item costing £400! Apparently this is the new post-Brexit norm. Just to get what you have ordered over the border!

I’ve also ordered more art from Bulgaria which is apparently in its way now and I’m really worried as this was more expensive (just under £3000). Does this mean I going to be charged another ridiculous amount as customs tax?

I’ve been on to HMRC today and they are no help, beyond saying “yes this is because of Brexit,” “No we’re not sure if you’ve been charged the right amount or why,” and “You will need to pay first and them make a claim if you think you’ve been overcharged.”

So basically, is this the end of ordering from abroad? What madness is this?

Russia isn't in the eu. You have always had to pay import duties from russia

@PurpleTrilby

I remember the 70s, the pre EU time. It was utterly bland. Orange juice was a luxury starter in restaurants. Does that sound ridiculous? Well it should. But those halcyon days of brexshiteets are here again! Fuck you, everyone who voted leave. You were either thick or selfish or both. And you've fucked us all.

That's much more down to technology than the EU.

Or do you think outside the EU the world is still marveling at orange juice as a starter ffs

@PuntasticUsername

"Errr, as Russia is most certainly not in the EU, l fail to see what Brexit has got to do with you being charged tax on your art."

Well, we used to be in the EU and now we are not. So if Russia (and Bulgaria) has a free trade agreement with the EU (I have no idea and I cba googling, sorry), we no longer benefit from it.

This isn't trade. This is customs duty, in the EU it is mandatory for anything outside the eu, same as vat for protectionism.

Youre paying your tax on something that otherwise would be cheaper than any UK product could be and fees for the system to check.

@Blyatiful

Oh yes, we should all drink Nyetimber and eat English cheese and bacon now. Fuck you if you fancy a bit of prosciutto, Prosecco or Gorgonzola.

What a lot of people don’t seem to realise is that the EU had trade or other, wider agreements with countries outside the EU, which is why we get delicious avocados and oranges relatively cheaply from eg Israel. As the U.K. has left the EU, we no longer benefit from these agreements, and no, or low import taxes, so a lot of what is now considered everyday food is going to cost more.

The art was clearly a bad example. As so many Brexiteers on this thread have said, “you should of (sic) bought British.”

63 of the 70nagreements have now been made individually with the UK.

So no thats not an issue the remaining ones are mostly small countries with delays.

Cptpp membership is on the cards too which would open up free trade with the East

And the interesting position the UK would be in with two huge trading blocks and rules of origin limits.

A UK product made with 70% UK parts could be sold in the EU and the cptpp group tariff free. With 30% coming from either or, cptpp could be joined by america now Biden is in and trump gone.

The UK would be a center link between over 50% of the worlds economy.

@Blyatiful. In the EU you pay a 16% seasonal tariff on oranges from Israel to protect EU orange growers

UK doesn't have much of an orange industry to my knowledge so your cheap oranges and avocados might be cheaper still soon

I haven’t RTFT sorry but I have the opposite (but equally expensive) problem.
My cousin lives in the EU with her husband a soldier. They have a BFPO address and no local EU address. Now when she orders things from Amazon, she gets to pay uk VAT because she has a uk (BFPO) address, but when the goods reach her in Europe she has to pay a second 20% VAT charge because she has ‘imported’ the goods into the EU. Now fine, in ordinary times most things can be naught locally but obviously everything is shut and most places only do online ordering. She has to pay an extra 20% on everything they get now - she can’t order local because she doesn’t have a local address, only the BFPO one.
And every single parcel is opened and inspected - she told me she ordered some period pants which were opened and handled :-(
It’s causing quite some discontent in the armed forces apparently

What's wrong with art available from the uk?

Not sure whether to laugh or cry at that one.

@newstart1337

I think this is a good move for the UK. Encouraging people to buy British will help British businesses and our economy.

I certainly dont understand why anyone would buy anything from Russia. Its a dictatorship that has just imprisoned the opposition leader after they failed trying to assassinate him. And not so long since they deployed chemical weapons in the UK.

Actually a lot of British firms are going out of business or relocating to Europe becuase of these rules.

The Department for International Trade has actually advised UK companies to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues. In addition many UK companies rely on EU imports for components of their goods which will push up their costs dramatically.

In a few months we will see greater inflation as pre brexit stockpiles empty.

Eventually, we will set up trade deals with other countries. There'll be some teething problems in the interim, but that was always to be expected.

Brexit was a stupid idea.

Whether it is art or children's clothes or food, we'll all pay more now, and UK businesses are already struggling with some local to me shutting.

But you can't argue with Brexit voters, this is exactly what they voted for - a weaker, poorer country, and they won.

Frenchfancie - doesn't she get the option to deliver to an Amazon locker or post office? I am in the EU too and have given up ordering from the UK - too many hidden fees, loads of paperwork, no thanks!

It has been like this forever when you order from many Non EU countries. Not surprised.