Abolishing the Monarcy.

[Helendee]

Good or bad idea and reasons for your opinion?
I don’t feel strongly either way but I am curious about what aspects of becoming a Republic are more beneficial than the UK’s stable current system.

The queen is getting huge profits from selling the rights to build windfarms on the seabed. Because she "owns it" - not the country ! How is this right? www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/08/queens-treasury-windfarm-bp-offshore-seabed-rights

@VinylDetective

Staff can't get morale boosts from truly inspirational people? They need to be patted on the head by these losers, to get their feelgood factor?

Apparently so. We asked all those brainwashed consultants, junior doctors and nurses what kind of official opening they’d like and their choice was overwhelmingly for a visit from the royal family. They really wanted the Queen but were happy to settle for Princess Anne.

So what were the options provided? Royal family or...? And how did they vote? Could they choose multiple or was it one choice each?

[quote anniegun]The queen is getting huge profits from selling the rights to build windfarms on the seabed. Because she "owns it" - not the country ! How is this right? www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/08/queens-treasury-windfarm-bp-offshore-seabed-rights[/quote]
This is horrible. How can we let this keep going when the whole country is about to pay the price of covid and Brexit combined?
We must remember that this is the lot that placed large swathes of arable land in South Asia in the hands of feudal lords to ensure complete control of those lands. These area are to this day paying the price.
Oh the irony!

I read somewhere that the Queen owns a sixth of the world's land

@VinylDetective
That is no argument at all. If public does not know the full extent of under the table deals and the control over parliamentary decisions and laws, whose fault is that?
There is a reason so many developed nations have fully abolished monarchy. Are they all brainwashed?

[quote Thewithesarehere]@VinylDetective
That is no argument at all. If public does not know the full extent of under the table deals and the control over parliamentary decisions and laws, whose fault is that?
There is a reason so many developed nations have fully abolished monarchy. Are they all brainwashed? [/quote]
Look don’t blame me for giving you evidence that doesn’t suit your narrative 🤷‍♀️

The fact is that the vast majority of people in this country neither know nor care about the aspects of royalty ranted about by posters to this thread. It obviously stings that highly intelligent people like the monarchy and wouldn’t want to see it abolished but society isn’t the way we’d like it. Rail all you like, they’re going nowhere for the foreseeable future.

Look don’t blame me for giving you evidence that doesn’t suit your narrative

If this is your idea of a solid evidence base, I hope that you aren’t working in a discipline that requires logical thought and analysis.

“Princess Anne came to the hospital where I work and all the clever people thought it was the best thing ever, in my opinion as a royalist”

Amazes me how the super rich never have enough. Just always hunting around for more ways to make even more money.

They'll finally go when the younger generation takes over in 10 years or so. About 84% of over 60s want the monarchy, but less than half of the 18-24 age group want the monarchy to continue.

docs.cdn.yougov.com/tnt8vkmjp1/YouGov%20-%20Future%20of%20Royal%20Family%20Results.pdf

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-41-per-cent-scots-support-monarchy/

And only 41% of Scottish people want the monarchy. Come on Scotland. Hope springs eternal!

Odd - how the royal machine is out to crush and condemn anything Harry and Meghan do or say, but never take issue with any of the others

Very true, but that's their fortress mentality for you; even with the truly disgusting ones they'd rather have them inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in, and as long as they don't frighten the horses too much they'll be protected

As for the "free global publicity" ... oh dear IME of many of the more progressive nations, most are either bemused or laughing - even some of them with monarchies, since they manage to behave in a slightly less feudal manner

Buckingham Palace already is a tourist attraction. But it won’t be once it stops being a palace with a real life monarch in it

Why ever not? I realise they get more visitors during big royal events, but they've not got any more high profile weddings to flog now and while the Queen's funeral might bring in a few that's about it

You do realise too that Buck House is only open for a few summer months? Get rid of them all, open it all year and it would probably get a load more for those who enjoy that kind of thing

The Queen is allowed to have personal wealth the same as anyone else in UK. and she pays tax the same as anyone else.

Of course.

Let's just gloss over the fact it's been boosted by decades worth of valuable tax breaks, the fact monarch to monarch bequests are free of inheritance tax and the Duchy that provides her personal income has murky legal status and can be deemed a public or private body by its beneficiary depending on what's most advantageous to their pocket.

@Iamthewombat

Look don’t blame me for giving you evidence that doesn’t suit your narrative

If this is your idea of a solid evidence base, I hope that you aren’t working in a discipline that requires logical thought and analysis.

“Princess Anne came to the hospital where I work and all the clever people thought it was the best thing ever, in my opinion as a royalist”

If that’s what you took from it, I hope you don’t either.

@PersimmonTree

They'll finally go when the younger generation takes over in 10 years or so. About 84% of over 60s want the monarchy, but less than half of the 18-24 age group want the monarchy to continue.

docs.cdn.yougov.com/tnt8vkmjp1/YouGov%20-%20Future%20of%20Royal%20Family%20Results.pdf

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-41-per-cent-scots-support-monarchy/

And only 41% of Scottish people want the monarchy. Come on Scotland. Hope springs eternal!

And yet other sources inevitably return different figures.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/05/18/who-are-monarchists

Didn't we try abolishing the monarchy before? It didn't appear to work last time.
I am in favour of the monarchy precisely because it is not an elected institution. Look at the heads of state other countries are "burdened" with and consider that after their period in office these people continue to "need" bodyguards etc. so no particularly cost-effective.
A head of state should be apolitical and represent the country, I think the Queen is excellent at this and I believe the Prince of Wales understands exactly what will be expected of him, but will put his own slant on it - as he should.
I agree that there is no need for the extended family, however, it does look as though the PoW is on that particular case.
What I would like is a monarch and head of state but without any kind of "fly on the wall" peeking into activities that are not directly related to their official role.

[quote anniegun]The queen is getting huge profits from selling the rights to build windfarms on the seabed. Because she "owns it" - not the country ! How is this right? www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/08/queens-treasury-windfarm-bp-offshore-seabed-rights[/quote]
Quite simply it isn't right that the Royal family receive a massive benefit from the country's assets.
There is no reason for a modern country to have a Royal family and the time to abolish their status has come. I would be happy for the current situation to remain whilst Elizabeth remains Queen.
I suspect that will not happen, but I do expect a gradual diminishing or their powers and entitlements over the next few decades

And only 41% of Scottish people want the monarchy. Come on Scotland. Hope springs eternal! Are you Scottish?

I am in favour of the monarchy precisely because it is not an elected institution. Look at the heads of state other countries are "burdened" with

What I would like is a monarch and head of state but without any kind of "fly on the wall" peeking into activities that are not directly related to their official role.

Another master logician at work. Yes, let’s have an unelected person as head of state, because that’s the only way we can avoid having our own Robert Mugabe.

And let’s not try to peek into the activities of this unelected person we support to the tune of hundreds of millions either.

the whole monarchy thing is a bit pointless tbh, boring and un-necessary. Apparently they attract visitors to the country? Think that’s aspect is overhyped. I would say YANBU to abolish the monarchy OP

@VinylDetective "And yet other sources inevitably return different figures.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/05/18/who-are-monarchists"

Proving my point, as your survey is 2 years older, that opinions are changing.

I’ve seen various senior clinicians awarded CBEs and knighthoods and without exception they’ve been quite giddy about their visit to the palace

I find this intriguing, even though I've seen it myself over a visit by Margaret of all people

There wasn't a senior rank present who didn't have some tale of past offence to tell and the tour leader gave a masterclass I've never forgotten in courtesy towards someone you loathe, but with some others it was shrieking and giggling as they practised their curtseys, competitive who-got-closest, and for the few who got to shake the royal hand, insistence that they'd never wash it again

As I said, disturbing

@Iamthewombat

I am in favour of the monarchy precisely because it is not an elected institution. Look at the heads of state other countries are "burdened" with

What I would like is a monarch and head of state but without any kind of "fly on the wall" peeking into activities that are not directly related to their official role.

Another master logician at work. Yes, let’s have an unelected person as head of state, because that’s the only way we can avoid having our own Robert Mugabe.

And let’s not try to peek into the activities of this unelected person we support to the tune of hundreds of millions either.

Strangely I was thinking of dear old Robert when people started saying we should be giving away the Queen's land. www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-land-portfolio-biggest-private-farmland-owner-in-america-2021-1?r=US&IR=T It's so unfair that old Bill Gates owns so much. Is it?

We asked all those brainwashed consultants, junior doctors and nurses what kind of official opening they’d like and their choice was overwhelmingly for a visit from the royal family. They really wanted the Queen but were happy to settle for Princess Anne

When I worked in a hospital and we had a royal visit all we did was complain half the car park had been roped of for a helicopter and the police taking over the canteen.

The floors were shiny though.

Fucksake the state of some of your arguments. Bill Gates isn't living it large at taxpayers' expense, is he?

@KeflavikAirport

Fucksake the state of some of your arguments. Bill Gates isn't living it large at taxpayers' expense, is he?

Is it fair that Bill Gates owns so much land?