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....every time Nicola sturgeon does a big announcement - regardless of what's said- my emotions wobble.

79 replies

whatsnewpussycat777 · 16/02/2021 15:54

Every fucking single time.

What is this sorcery she has over meSad

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FredUpNow · 16/02/2021 23:34

They have hardly any members. SNP must have one of the biggest memberships, no,?

MaxNormal · 17/02/2021 07:42

I was a big supporters of her, the SNP and independence due to Brexit as my older posts will attest.
My eyes have been well and truly opened and I find her horrifying now.

LakieLady · 17/02/2021 08:27

She has the opposite effect on me. She gives me hope. She's intelligent, consistent, calm, expresses herself articulately and makes it very clear what's happening.

So different from the waffling, lying, obese, chaotic, upturned mop that people in England voted for.

Mind you, I don't live in Scotland so I don't have to suffer any adverse impacts from SNP policies. I might well feel differently if I did.

Fairyliz · 17/02/2021 09:13

@NuniaBeeswax

Always gives me a good chuckle at how posters on MN seethe about Nicola Sturgeon.
Not sure posters ‘seethe’ about her. Her name is mentioned people make a comment about how irritating she is then carry on with their day.
TakeTheCuntOutOfScunthorpe · 17/02/2021 09:15

@NuniaBeeswax

Always gives me a good chuckle at how posters on MN seethe about Nicola Sturgeon.
It's weird. Apparently it's fine for people to complain about or criticize the elected leaders of any country in the world except Scotland. We can criticise May and Johnson, Trump and Biden, Merkel, Putin, Abe and Suga, whoever is running Italy this week. But not Sturgeon. Any criticism of her is apparently criticism of every Scottish person, despite the fact many of them don't actually vote for her or her party.
Bouncebacker · 17/02/2021 09:18

m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJzSWacrkKo This is the kind of world I want to live in - I’m ok with anyone who is working towards it

FredUpNow · 17/02/2021 09:26

Yes the political reality is less rosy.

I liked her personal "style". But I'm concerned that's all it is.

The statements have gone on for too long. In parliament she seems to resent the opposition putting (what seem to me at the moment) valid questions. The Joanna Cherry sacking was a shame (contrast with Derek McKay.) Cherry seemed able. The Salmond rift is ongoing.
I've always had no time for lazy Boris but will now accept he does ok at giving people a job and letting them get on with it. (Vaccines)

But then again as we say in this house you couldn't have a worse leader in a crisis than Boris! I do now wonder if an ultra cautious and careful leader is going to work on the road OUT of a crisis. God bless us all.

SummerBlondey · 17/02/2021 09:31

I think she's great. I'd love it if she could be PM.

ssd · 17/02/2021 09:36

I've just watched Bill Gates talking about getting ready for the next epidemic...5 YEARS AGO

GreenlandTheMovie · 17/02/2021 09:43

Surgeon's very good at playing to an audience. She knows exactly how to appeal to certain members of Scottish society. In times of need (eg a pandemic, a lockdown), some people need more reassurance than others, which makes them vulnerable to sublimnal messages. Like cult leaders.

GreenlandTheMovie · 17/02/2021 09:45

@LakieLady

She has the opposite effect on me. She gives me hope. She's intelligent, consistent, calm, expresses herself articulately and makes it very clear what's happening.

So different from the waffling, lying, obese, chaotic, upturned mop that people in England voted for.

Mind you, I don't live in Scotland so I don't have to suffer any adverse impacts from SNP policies. I might well feel differently if I did.

An example of an attempt at sublimnal meesaging, by trying to "plant" positive messages in the reader's minds about a person or idea.
FredUpNow · 17/02/2021 09:47

She does reassurance well.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/02/2021 09:57

@ssd

I've just watched Bill Gates talking about getting ready for the next epidemic...5 YEARS AGO
Yep. There were a number of people banging on about it. Some planning done, but mostly kicked into the long grass. I wonder if we'll learn from this as they say more will follow (and not too far away).

As far as NS goes. I really really like her when I agree with her (Covid) I love the way she's so clear & doesn't waffle. I love the way she's there every day and knows what she's talking about, she's clearly got her finger on the pulse.

But I HATE her when I disagree with her - mostly Scottish Independence.

I don't want to lose Scotland - we love you being part of us & I genuinely believe it would be bad for Scotland.

Better her than waffle chops.

NuniaBeeswax · 17/02/2021 11:00

Subliminal messages 😂😂😂

FredUpNow · 17/02/2021 11:05

I don't know about subliminal messaging however I know someone whose workplace had a visit from NS.

She / her aides correographed her passage through the areas so that she didn't have her back turned on people. It's all controlled to put her in the best light. Presentation is important tbh.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 17/02/2021 11:07

@FredUpNow

I don't know about subliminal messaging however I know someone whose workplace had a visit from NS.

She / her aides correographed her passage through the areas so that she didn't have her back turned on people. It's all controlled to put her in the best light. Presentation is important tbh.

Does she take her own toilet seat like the queen does Grin
FredUpNow · 17/02/2021 11:08

Don't think she was there long enough!

Friend said she was very professional.

FredUpNow · 17/02/2021 11:10

I mean we all groan at Johnson tbh.

NuniaBeeswax · 17/02/2021 11:14

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4167735-To-be-triggered-by-the-sight-and-sound-of-Nicola-Sturgeon

Definitely no raging going on here at all.

FredUpNow · 17/02/2021 11:21

There is an issue of our fear based responses getting tacked on to particular people. She has imo done too many of the frankly depressing announcements.

Too much "trailing" as well so I realised when I didn't watch and listen to her pointers I got clobbered a week or fortnight later with my area being closed off to the outside world or some other horror.

TakeTheCuntOutOfScunthorpe · 17/02/2021 11:33

Further to my earlier post, I find it interesting that there are many countries whose population will happily hear criticism of their leader, and a handful where any criticism from outside is immediately decried as ignorance at best and racism or aggression at worst.

Anyone can criticise the leaders of the UK, the US, western Europe, Australia. Nobody complains that being anti-Trump automatically meant hating Americans. Nobody thinks that thinking Boris Johnson is a buffoon proves you hate the British.

But there is a group of countries whose population generally not tolerate criticism from the outside. North Koreans, Chinese, Russians - the majority of people will shut down criticism of their leader and will accuse the person making it of being wrong and/or racist. They will deflect criticism by saying other countries are worse than them (the Salisbury poisonings were obviously done by accident by the British rather than two Russian agents). Usually this behaviour has been groomed over a long period, the propaganda machine has done its job so well that the citizens cannot think any other way.

It's weird that Scotland falls into the latter group. Criticism of Sturgeon, criticism of the SNP, is always perceived as being unfair. Usually it's fended off with negative comments about the UK government. There is a strange bubble where anything good is put down to Sturgeon, anything bad is put down to the UK. Criticism of the Scottish government is automatically seen as anti-Scottish sentiment.

I'm fairly sure the SNP don't have a secret police going round intimidating people who disagree with them, so I put this down to them having an excellent propaganda system. But like I said, it's strange how the Scottish government can be lumped in with those of totalitarian regimes so easily. When a government cannot be scrutinised and criticised, democracy is weakened.

OldRailer · 17/02/2021 12:34

The network is there. They are a mass membership party at at time when that's rare.

I know three couples off the top of my head who leaflet for them.

GreenlandTheMovie · 17/02/2021 13:56

They will deflect criticism by saying other countries are worse than them (the Salisbury poisonings were obviously done by accident by the British rather than two Russian agents). Usually this behaviour has been groomed over a long period, the propaganda machine has done its job so well that the citizens cannot think any other way.

It's weird that Scotland falls into the latter group. Criticism of Sturgeon, criticism of the SNP, is always perceived as being unfair. Usually it's fended off with negative comments about the UK government. There is a strange bubble where anything good is put down to Sturgeon, anything bad is put down to the UK. Criticism of the Scottish government is automatically seen as anti-Scottish sentiment.

That is really well observed. The SNP do appear to have an unusually large number of people who for want of a better expression, "patrol" the internet to pounce on posters who attack the SNP. They generally do two things:

  • they attack the poster personally and tried to demonise them or ridicule them
  • they pick up on a certain word or phrase and derail the discussion by constantly referring back to it, using the above technique.

Its so distinguishable that it does make you wonder whether there is some form of training going on. Sturgeon has consistently refused to condemn on the behaviour of "cybernats" in her own party, some of whom have made pretty nasty threats to people they don't like.

StoneofDestiny · 17/02/2021 15:02

She/her aides correographed her passage through the areas so that she didn't have her back turned on people. It's all controlled to put her in the best light. Presentation is important tbh

Every politician from every party has this. Likewise the royals.

StoneofDestiny · 17/02/2021 15:05

Criticism of the Scottish government is automatically seen as anti-Scottish sentiment

Funny that - many posters appear to equate support for Scottish Independence as hatred of the English. Which is utter nonsense.

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