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Renters won't leave the house I'm buying, they 'can't find anywhere suitable'.

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wirldsgonemad · 12/02/2021 17:42

But thanks to covid, a section 21 means people have 6 months instead of 2 months to vacate and this means I get charged £4,250 extra in stamp duty, plus mortgage application fees and survey of £1k plus my life being on hold for 6 months.

They are fully aware of my position, they know I'm a single mother of 2 small children and they don't give two hoots that they're actions are costing me £5-6k and months of waiting.

God give me strength to get through these next few months without attacking them on a regular basis.

What would you do in my situation???

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CodenameVillanelle · 13/02/2021 18:57

@DareIask

So now we've agreed I'm being fair, let's also agree that when they're contract is up, it will be changed
You really don't have a clue When the notice period is up all that means is that you can start legal proceedings to evict them. The contact isn't 'up' and you can't change it and you can't raise the rent. Until you get a court order to evict them they get to stay on exactly the same terms they have now.
ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn · 13/02/2021 18:57

@DareIask

So now we've agreed I'm being fair, let's also agree that when they're contract is up, it will be changed
It doesn't work like that.

You can't just make the rules up to suit you.

NoWordForFluffy · 13/02/2021 18:58

@DareIask

So now we've agreed I'm being fair, let's also agree that when they're contract is up, it will be changed
Where was that agreed?!
AllMyPrettyOnes · 13/02/2021 18:59

God, there's some dense people on this thread

JustLyra · 13/02/2021 18:59

@DareIask

So now we've agreed I'm being fair, let's also agree that when they're contract is up, it will be changed
The contract isn’t “up” until the court said so.

You can’t change and existing contract except under very specific circumstances.

You need to educate yourself on the law

JustLyra · 13/02/2021 19:01

@DareIask

I'm selling a house as an executor. I have no choice... the mortgage has to be paid off.

I have a buyer and the tenants have been served notice (and had first option to buy)

If they don't move out soon I swear I'll treble their rent.

GrinGrin

Good luck with that

You really need to educate yourself on your responsibilities as a landlord and realise what you can and can’t do

FakeRealist · 13/02/2021 19:01

Yes they have a right. Not arguing with that.

They have a few more weeks when they're notice will be up and then I will do everything within my rights to get them out.

So..... Notice isn't up yet but you're giving out because they're not out yet? And accusing them of taking the piss because they haven't left before the notice you served is up? And saying you'll illegally triple their rent because they haven't left before the notice period ends?
And there's people on here wonder why landlords have a bad name....... 🤷

DareIask · 13/02/2021 19:01

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CodenameVillanelle · 13/02/2021 19:07

But you want them to move out right? So you'll be issuing eviction proceedings? And you think the tenants will accept your attempt to increase rent and meekly pay the extra? Lol

JustLyra · 13/02/2021 19:07

@DareIask

Of course rent is reviewed. Do you think it's never changed? Sadly No I won't be able to treble it, but be assured it will be increased as much as possible.

Why should I incur costs that will be detrimental to the beneficiaries (I'm not one) because they won't move?

So now we've agreed you were talking nonsense, lets also agree you should go and learn about how to be a landlord?

The beneficiaries won't lose anything. They will get their share of the estate once the deceased's affairs are sorted. The deceased took on the role of being a landlord and this is part of that. What the beneficiaries will get will be no different to if the deceased decided to stop renting out their property one year ago.

JustLyra · 13/02/2021 19:08

@CodenameVillanelle

But you want them to move out right? So you'll be issuing eviction proceedings? And you think the tenants will accept your attempt to increase rent and meekly pay the extra? Lol
Exactly!

And when the process takes longer than necessary because of the meddling of the executor hopefully the beneficiaries know where to point the blame!

NoWordForFluffy · 13/02/2021 19:10

And when the process takes longer than necessary because of the meddling of the executor hopefully the beneficiaries know where to point the blame!

Is it wrong that I would love the S21 to be invalid?! 🙈😂

CodenameVillanelle · 13/02/2021 19:11

I don't know whether @DareIask knows that tenants actually have to accept proposed rent increases...if a tenant doesn't want to accept the increase they run the risk of the landlord serving notice but..well...

DareIask · 13/02/2021 19:11

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CodenameVillanelle · 13/02/2021 19:11

@NoWordForFluffy

And when the process takes longer than necessary because of the meddling of the executor hopefully the beneficiaries know where to point the blame!

Is it wrong that I would love the S21 to be invalid?! 🙈😂

Grin Not wrong at all
CodenameVillanelle · 13/02/2021 19:11

@DareIask

Simply not true.

The mortgage needs to be repaid... there will be penalties, and a new mortgage to find and set up (hopefully).

My original post was tongue in cheek (yes I know you can't read tone in a post, and for that I apologise)

Let me assure you I have bent over backwards to be fair to these tenants.. they are being awkward at every turn.

What is simply not true?
DenisetheMenace · 13/02/2021 19:12

Honestly, I would pull out and find an empty house.

DareIask · 13/02/2021 19:13

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FakeRealist · 13/02/2021 19:15

@DareIask

Simply not true.

The mortgage needs to be repaid... there will be penalties, and a new mortgage to find and set up (hopefully).

My original post was tongue in cheek (yes I know you can't read tone in a post, and for that I apologise)

Let me assure you I have bent over backwards to be fair to these tenants.. they are being awkward at every turn.

Because they haven't left before the notice is up?

If I were your tenant and you showed the same disdainful and appalling attitude towards me I wouldn't be going out of my way to make your life easier by leaving one second before the notice was up.

MrDarcysMa · 13/02/2021 19:30

I feel like your anger is misplaced op. The sellers have been shady af here, did you also know the tenants were lined up when you offered?

SSCCLL · 13/02/2021 19:30

You poor thing!! Haven’t rtft yet but pull out! Don’t put yourself through this. Another house will come up

SpaceRaiders · 13/02/2021 19:31

On MN or SM, you’re not allowed to own more than one house @DareIask! And if you happen to have been unfortunate enough to inherit, you should house the homeless or let it below market value to a family of pigmy goats. A LL’s issues, financial liabilities aren’t a tenants concern but all tenants extenuating circumstances, social, financial issues should be taken into consideration. They deserve a home with complete flexibility at your expense and if you don’t allow it, you should be publicly flogged.

Genuinely, there’s little point in having a well reasoned discussion on property ownership here, it usually descends into personal attacks, as every single landlord is unscrupulous and or willing to throw out a poor tenant on the street in mid winter!

MrDarcysMa · 13/02/2021 19:31

I'd be asking for compensation (stamp duty equivalent) off the asking price or pull out.
But I wouldn't be blaming the tenants. It's their home legally atm.

mel71 · 13/02/2021 19:39

I feel for you, and I really feel for the tenants. This has happened to me twice - moved into a property with a very young family and was told by the landlord it would be a longterm let - only for the property to be sold within a year. One landlord tried to keep it a secret that the house was on the market. Estate agent told us. He wanted the rent coming in as long as possible, because as soon as notice is served a tenant can leave without notice. The problem is at the moment is that there is a massive shortfall of properties and consequently rents have been pushed up. I've watched rents go up on average by 3-400 pcm for a 2/3 bed locally in the last year. It may not be the tenants being preserve - they may not be able to find anywhere. I know that does not help you.

DareIask · 13/02/2021 19:41

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