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AIBU?

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To have expected the plumber to contribute?

136 replies

AmbitiousHalibut · 11/02/2021 09:04

I'm genuinely a bit puzzled here so would appreciate your views.

Last week our plumber came to service our boiler. We've just moved so it was the first service in this house, but he'd been coming to our old house (10 mins away) for years. We've called him out for emergencies in the past maybe a couple of times, but broadly we just see him annually for the service. He's always been very friendly and we chat a fair bit while he's working.

Our new house has a large appliance which is also connected to the gas, so after he'd checked the boiler, and had a quick look around the rest of the house to check the loft tank, bathroom tank etc, he told me he needed to turn off the large appliance to check the gas. I asked (casually) if he knew how to do it because I didn't, and he said yes. It also has instructions written on it, I discovered later.

Anyway, when he went to turn it back on, a valve broke so he couldn't. I called the guy who had serviced the appliance when we moved in a few months ago, and they talked for a few minutes about what had happened. The appliance guy said it was a fairly common problem and a bit of a design flaw, and that he'd come the next day to fix it.

It ended up costing over £200 as the part is crazily expensive. The plumber texted to ask how we'd got on and I said pretty much that. He replied saying something like "ouch, sorry". He then emailed me his invoice for the service, again apologising for adding to my invoices.

AIBU to have expected him to offer to contribute to the repair cost? I texted him to say I was surprised to receive his invoice and had expected at least a conversation about him contributing. I said I didn't expect him to cover the full cost, although I think some people in my position might. He replied very politely but basically saying that his service had highlighted a fault, and that was pretty much that.

AIBU here? I try and treat people fairly and it really bothers me to be at odds with anyone so it's really weighing on my shoulders.

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yearinyearout · 11/02/2021 09:24

Well, I guess it depends if he was being heavy handed, were you there when it happened?

C152 · 11/02/2021 09:24

I seem to be the odd one out, as i would expect the plumber to cover the full cost of repairing / replacing an item he damaged. He should have insurance for this.

JillsFlapjacks · 11/02/2021 09:26

If it's a design flaw on the appliance, I can't see that the plumber is to blame here. It had to be turned off for him to check your gas safety. It's a pain for you that it can be broken easily, all the same.

AmbitiousHalibut · 11/02/2021 09:26

@SchrodingersImmigrant

I would definitely offer to pay towards the fridge in that scenario, but you're right, if I were the home owner in that scenario I'd be insisting no way as it was a problem I knew was coming!

I guess I had no idea that the valve was so easy to break, and now that I do I'll be warning everyone in sight. Even the appliance man who came out to fix it seemed to be thinking the plumber was going to be paying, so I guess that confirmed it in my head at the time that I wasn't being unfair.

You live and learn!

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WhySoSensitive · 11/02/2021 09:27

If you had turned it off for him it would have still broke. YABU.

AmbitiousHalibut · 11/02/2021 09:28

@yearinyearout

He wasn't being especially heavy handed but he did say he knew what to do and didn't stop to read the instructions or anything.

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AmbitiousHalibut · 11/02/2021 09:30

@WhySoSensitive

But we'll never know, I guess. Honestly, if he'd said he was unsure I would have asked my DH to come and have a look because he's very thorough and careful about this stuff and would have spent an age reading the instructions. I agree though, it could then still have broken.

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MeanMrMustardSeed · 11/02/2021 09:30

Don’t worry OP, just say he caught you when you had a lot on your mind and hadn’t thought through the situation properly and apologise.

AmbitiousHalibut · 11/02/2021 09:31

@C152

That's what my Mum said!

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rosesinmygarden · 11/02/2021 09:35

I guess you'll be looking for a new plumber then.

FredaFlintstone · 11/02/2021 09:36

I can't quite make sense of your way of thinking op. Of course the plumber shouldn't pay!

Imagine if your average tradesperson offered everyone that they'd pay for things that break through no fault of their own, during service work - they'd go out of business!

SchrodingersImmigrant · 11/02/2021 09:37

@C152

I seem to be the odd one out, as i would expect the plumber to cover the full cost of repairing / replacing an item he damaged. He should have insurance for this.
Yes, but that's not "free" either. There is excess and then premiums go up. Secondly, they always find a reason not to pay out ime. It wasn't his fault.
Hankunamatata · 11/02/2021 09:42

It's a design flaw. Though not sure why gas fitter couldn't order the part and repair himself

FredaFlintstone · 11/02/2021 09:43

I've been trying to thing of a 'trade' equivalent.

Imagine if you asked someone to lay insulation in the loft and as part of that you agree to them taking the floorboards up. So they do, but one is so rotten and old that it literally crumbles to bits when taken up. Surely you wouldn't insist they buy a new board at their cost? They've just identified something already broken.

VinterKvinna · 11/02/2021 09:44

[quote AmbitiousHalibut]@yearinyearout

He wasn't being especially heavy handed but he did say he knew what to do and didn't stop to read the instructions or anything.[/quote]
He did know how to do it, it broke through being fragile (from what you said) Its his job to know - a bit like when i get in a different car, I still know how to drive it.

Nith · 11/02/2021 09:54

@AmbitiousHalibut

Goodness. Okay, I stand corrected! This is why AIBU is so useful, I guess.

To be fair, I've never suggested he broke it by being careless, but equally if I broke something at someone else's house I'd offer to help put it right. I really wasn't trying to stick him with the bill, I just assumed he'd offer to help or at least waive his service fee.

I have learned a lot this morning!

Think of it this way - friend asks you to help move a piece of furniture where a screw in a vital place has worked loose. It looks OK because force of gravity is keeping it together. You pick it up and inevitably whatever the screw was holding on falls off. Would you feel responsible for paying to repair that?
AmbitiousHalibut · 11/02/2021 09:54

I can understand what the vast majority of you are saying. I guess because I'd had the appliance serviced recently and it was working fine, it seemed fair to me that the plumber had broken the valve and therefore should be offering to do something about it financially. I'm fascinated as I genuinely expected the answers to be more 50/50 at least! I stand corrected.

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Nith · 11/02/2021 09:55

@C152

I seem to be the odd one out, as i would expect the plumber to cover the full cost of repairing / replacing an item he damaged. He should have insurance for this.
His insurance would only cover this if he was negligent. It doesn't sound like he was.
AmbitiousHalibut · 11/02/2021 09:56

@Nith

Honestly, I think I'd feel awful and still offer to contribute! Perhaps I'm just a stupidly soft touch.

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ILoveAllRainbowsx · 11/02/2021 09:57

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Okokokbear · 11/02/2021 09:57

@AmbitiousHalibut

Goodness. Okay, I stand corrected! This is why AIBU is so useful, I guess.

To be fair, I've never suggested he broke it by being careless, but equally if I broke something at someone else's house I'd offer to help put it right. I really wasn't trying to stick him with the bill, I just assumed he'd offer to help or at least waive his service fee.

I have learned a lot this morning!

Posts like this crack me up. You're saying well I suppose I'm being unreasonable but this is why I'm not...

A trade person can't be responsible for everything they touch in your home. They have no idea of the condition of things or how you've looked after them.

Nith · 11/02/2021 09:58

He did know how to do it, it broke through being fragile (from what you said) Its his job to know - a bit like when i get in a different car, I still know how to drive it.

Is a plumber expected to know all the quirks of every single type of appliance that might be connected to gas, even if they're something like a cooker or heater that he would never normally deal with professionally?

Okokokbear · 11/02/2021 09:58

Jesus christ you're still arguing the toss.

LalalalalalaLand123 · 11/02/2021 10:01

Yeah you’re massively being unreasonable here, and you owe the boiler man an apology.

This. He was doing his job, not being negligent or destructive.

LalalalalalaLand123 · 11/02/2021 10:03

91% YABU - yet you still think you're in the right. Unbelievable OP. Why bother posting.