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Is it me? I don't think it's me!

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dontthinkitsme · 05/02/2021 10:56

NC so this isn't linked to my other posts. Hope this isn't too long!

I've been talking to a guy from OLD for a while. We haven't met yet as the weather has been dreadful. We have a low key, light 'text relationship' (for want of a better term). Sending memes, dry wit, 'banter' (hate that word), it's not exactly deep meaningful conversation. Basically just keeping it light until we see if we like each other in person.

Our sense of humour has been pretty matched so far, no lead balloons, but something happened last night which has actually made me quite angry. Tell me honestly if it's me!

My DM is having some problems with her neighbour. I won't go into details but the neighbour is horrible to DM but seems to like me. After the latest event I've been rage fantasising about passively aggressively calling the neighbour out and making her squirm Grin Something that MN would be proud of, friendly hi how are you conversation, then BAM 'oh, I'm surprised you haven't dropped a note in the door about the damage you did to xyz the other day and tried to cover up' with an innocent smile Wink

This is the sort of thing he and I would laugh about, so I told him. I made it very very clear I wouldn't actually do this. At the end of the day it's not my house and not my business. I did start the message with 'quick! hold me back! stop me doing something stupid!' but all in jest and as I say, reiterated at the end that it was all fantasy.

He told me not to 'cause a scene' Hmm When I asked what he meant he said it's not the 'done thing'. Again I asked for clarification in case I jumped to the wrong conclusion, but he went into waffle about how he was brought up to never cause a scene in public and be polite above all else.

I felt this was a dig, like somehow he thought he was better than me? 1) a friendly (if PA) conversation between two neighbours is hardly causing a 'scene'. I'm hardly throwing a tantrum in the middle of a crowded room. 2) I've never caused a 'scene' in my life and never indicated that's the sort of person I am, and 3) IT WAS A FUCKING FANTASY

I told him that there are many ways to be both assertive and polite. It doesn't have to be a drama, a TOWIE style aggressive tantrum, that behaviour is not my style and loses the moral high ground, but that doesn't mean I will accept people acting like shits.

Sadly I've come to the conclusion that was he actually meant was not 'don't cause a scene', it was women 'don't make a fuss'.

I asked him if he meant that I should just let people walk all over me (and my DM in this scenario). Does this apply to every situation without exception? What about if a stranger grabbed my arse? Am I supposed to smile sweetly and even thank him? At that he turned it on me, ignored that example, and shut down the conversation with 'I don't know what's got into you tonight but have a good evening'.

As an aside, he has made some awful 'jokes' about killing cats. Bear traps in his garden for the neighbours cat that shits in his, giving mine to the Chinese takeaway for bringing in a mouse (horribly racist!!), and saying if I ever brought a kitten home (to our imaginary house together) he would wait until I wasn't looking and steal it and drown it.

I'm sure he would say all of these were 'jokes'. But why does my joke mean that my manners, class and the way I was brought up are called into question? He would and has denied that this is about him thinking that women should behave a certain way but essentially he thinks he can do and say what he likes but somehow is entitled to police my (imaginary) behaviour, with subtle put downs that he thinks he's been brought up better than me, is better than me. FWIW I was brought up very well, private school, manners are first and foremost.

I can't even be arsed with the conversation to try and get him to see he was wrong. I doubt he'd listen and tbh we've never even met, I just can't be arsed discussing it and listening him either pretend I misinterpreted or missed a joke, or defend himself.

Am I overreacting? I'm going to have to just ghost him aren't I?

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Toorapid · 05/02/2021 11:03

This is exactly why these kinds of chats can't be done by text. Text is for "see you at 2pm" not actual conversations especially among people prone to over thinking

I know it seems to have become the norm, but why don't you use the phone for getting to know you chats?

Who knows why or if he's taken exception to what you said unless you talk to him?

Ponoka7 · 05/02/2021 11:05

Don't ghost him, make a scene over text (joke). It's a massive red flag. There's times as women, we can't and shouldn't 'not make a scene'. I don't think that he is joking about his hatred and ability to hurt cats. There's a level of repression with a very cruel streak underneath. People like that are often vindictive and nasty.

dontthinkitsme · 05/02/2021 11:06

Oh, I didn't think this was relevant so I left it out but I guess it is. But I told the backstory and subsequently what-I'd-really-like-to-do-but-won't on audio message. Mostly because it was long to type but also so he could tell from my tone and laughter that I was in no way serious!

The subsequent discussion was over text though.

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Toorapid · 05/02/2021 11:07

Hmm. I think if you had more actual conversations with him you'd discover you don't like him very much at all.

LaurieFairyCake · 05/02/2021 11:09

Yuk. I don't like the sound of him Sad

Rockinmomma · 05/02/2021 11:12

For however long you’ve been talking to him you’ve now built up an impression of him and not a great one from the sounds of it.
Maybe arrange a walk or a video call but have a break from msgs for a few days.
FWIW I’d be thinking the same as you, I don’t appreciate people telling me how to react or feel and equally don’t like drama 🤷🏻‍♀️

sqirrelfriends · 05/02/2021 11:12

Massive red flag, if he's happy to put these kinds of thing into writing then I wonder what he's like in person.

huuuuunnnndderrricks · 05/02/2021 11:19

The cat thing is awful .. no one in their right mind says that about an animal even in jest .. it's not saying you don't like them it's the way he describes torturing them .. get rid !

givemedaffodils · 05/02/2021 11:24

YABU in not breaking off all contact immediately when he talked about animals that way.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 05/02/2021 11:25

I think it depends on what you're usually like. I have a friend that always seems to have a problem with someone or something, always voicing how much she can't stand someone and always some kind of hatred towards one person or another. I'm a pretty feisty person myself and at first, we'd vent to one another if we had issues with anyone. However her issues were seemingly endless and she was always at war with someone, always angry at someone etc. It got draining in the end so now I don't indulge her, I simply put across my point of how to perhaps deal with it calmly and that's that.

So are you usually voicing how much people piss you off? If so, maybe he's just sick of the drama?

Santaiscovidfree · 05/02/2021 11:28

Joking about animal abuse would make me block him..

Santaiscovidfree · 05/02/2021 11:29

Trapping cats makes him an animal abuser..
And how many murderers begin...

Plump82 · 05/02/2021 11:30

Id have cut all contact with him after the "jokes" about torturing cats. I think you're lucky to now have something else that gives a red flag and you can get rid. Life it too short for this kinda shit.

LaceyBetty · 05/02/2021 11:35

Life's too short to deal with people that put you off for any reason. He sounds unpleasant to say the least.

unmarkedbythat · 05/02/2021 11:36

For some people, there is no sin greater than Causing A Scene and Drawing Attention To Yourself. If he was brought up with that hammered into him, I doubt he will even begin to understand why what he was saying is so ridiculous.

TheNoodlesIncident · 05/02/2021 11:42

As an aside, he has made some awful 'jokes' about killing cats. Bear traps in his garden for the neighbours cat that shits in his, giving mine to the Chinese takeaway for bringing in a mouse (horribly racist!!), and saying if I ever brought a kitten home (to our imaginary house together) he would wait until I wasn't looking and steal it and drown it.

I couldn't get past this, he would be gone from my life by saying things like this. I know some people say things and would never actually do them, but even just thinking it is highly repellent and I could never be sure that he wouldn't actually do something. It's so creepy, the whole plotting what he will do to people's pets - including yours! - and making racist asides about the takeaway is abhorrent also.

I don't think it's you, he's really really odd and doesn't seem to grasp basic appropriateness which isn't appealing. I would be blocking and moving on, I couldn't be with someone like this.

DianeCherry · 05/02/2021 11:44

The cat jokes would have been the end of it for me. But this confirms that he has a controlling streak a mile wide and it would be the last conversation I had with him

dontthinkitsme · 05/02/2021 11:45

@AwaAnBileYerHeid

I think it depends on what you're usually like. I have a friend that always seems to have a problem with someone or something, always voicing how much she can't stand someone and always some kind of hatred towards one person or another. I'm a pretty feisty person myself and at first, we'd vent to one another if we had issues with anyone. However her issues were seemingly endless and she was always at war with someone, always angry at someone etc. It got draining in the end so now I don't indulge her, I simply put across my point of how to perhaps deal with it calmly and that's that.

So are you usually voicing how much people piss you off? If so, maybe he's just sick of the drama?

I think I've made it very clear that all of our conversation has been light and jokey, not moaning about stuff of consequence or things that annoy us. The basis of me telling him this was that it was an imaginary scenario, without going into detail about how awful neighbour is.
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Crosstrainer · 05/02/2021 11:46

It’s very difficult to conduct relationships via text....and all the more so if you don’t know each other in person. That said, if you’re getting bad vibes and don’t want to continue, then absolutely don’t. Don’t ghost him, though. That’s awful. Just send a text saying “don’t think this will work out - all the best”.

aModernClassic · 05/02/2021 11:57

He sounds vile. If he's like this now, it will get worse. Bin him and find someone that doesn't fantasise about abusing animals.

Incrediblytired · 05/02/2021 12:01

Ghost him. He sounds vile.

bloodyhairy · 05/02/2021 12:06

You're not compatible, so just move on.
Text relationships are never a good idea anyway.

MzHz · 05/02/2021 12:08

And we have a certified pair of cunts as neighbours because of limp twat shit thinking like this:

he went into waffle about how he was brought up to never cause a scene in public and be polite above all else.

Sometimes a scene needs to be made. Hiding behind politeness when it’s fear of confrontation is why you get shitty neighbours

Our lot have been at it for decades. We don’t put up with it and are finally getting them to behave almost like normal people. But if we blinked... they’d be out there with their fucking logs as obstructions, assaulting the poor buggers from Amazon, putting back their no vans signs and width restrictions in a heartbeat.

The bloke isn’t for you. You need a man/partner who is on the same wavelength and is prepared to have a laugh OR put a foot down if it’ll help you/him.

You’re getting a “not right for me vibe” I think you’d be wise to just scale back and let it drift rather than vanish

Or in the spirit of being honest and bold, tell him that you don’t think you’ll be taking the relationship further as you’re too different from one another, and that’s fine, but not right for you.

dontthinkitsme · 05/02/2021 12:08

The cat abuse IS awful. The drowning comment was ages ago which I dismissed as being a one off joke that went wrong. Then the last two have come quite close to eachother and have made me Confused

He knows I love my cat, I thought he was just doing it to get a reaction but it gave me a horrible feeling in my gut. It all points to controlling and being cruel to exert dominance and power.

He's well known in the community and in the public eye locally, so I guess I didn't see it coming.

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Divebar2021 · 05/02/2021 12:14

FGS you can’t possibly expect to understand a person from a text message. It’s impossible to tell the tone... from either of you. He doesn’t know you... he doesn’t know you’re not going to cause a scene like a fish wife. You don’t know he is or isn’t joking about cats. You can’t possibly build a relationship by text. At least have a phone conversation then you can hear the tone.