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AIBU to wonder why more people don’t use reusable nappies?

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KatyClaire · 05/02/2021 09:26

I have a fairly new baby and I’m a little surprised at how few people I’ve encountered are using reusable nappies. I haven’t met anyone using them in my antenatal group / baby classes / local parents group etc. There has been such an explosion in the use of reusable products (sanitary products, straws, cups, make up wipes etc) that I had assumed it would have crossed into nappies as well.

I don’t know whether it’s a perception issue (people thinking they’re messy and hard to clean), the upfront cost, confusing information etc?

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NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 06/02/2021 13:01

Just be careful.
It's a bit like breastfeeding. If everyone goes around saying "it's really not hard, its quite easy" people are unprepared for it and give up when they find it is in fact harder work than expected.

It's important to acknowledge that something may be harder for some people and may create some additional issues, so that they are prepared for that.

The reality is, you feel strongly about them. I use them myself so I obviously think they are worth using. My personal view is that they are better for the environment, and for me that is enough to justify the extra work & hassle. But I can appreciate that lots of other people have different circumstances and they may not feel that the environmental benefit is important to warrant the extra effort. That is their decision.

willFOURbagsbeenough · 06/02/2021 13:08

[quote KatyClaire]@willFOURbagsbeenough there are links to medical journals on those pages, or if it’s something that interests you you can always google yourself Smile re ‘baby wearing’ (I also hate that expression) it’s in vogue now but still relatively new in this country, compared to places (like Botswana, for example) where it’s been the norm for decades.[/quote]
You haven’t read that link you posted have you? There is a link to one medical journal. From 1968, that makes no mention of cloth nappies. It’s does however mention female children being coquettish and knowing how to use their eyes even as young children. Hmm

oblada · 06/02/2021 13:12

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland

Oblada good for you. Your experience is different from others. Until you've had my baby you can't really know what fits her, can you?

Having used disposables and currently using washable myself, it's not a misconception for everyone that they are harder work. I find them to be harder work.

A lot of people on here with some very undeveloped empathy. Not everyone feels the same as you.

Seriously? You're the one who has posted about the clothes like it's a generic truth ('if you have a small baby you find etc') I've tried to be clear that I haven't had that issue, that my experience is thus etc. Not suggesting at all that others cannot have different experiences. Of course they can. I'm sharing my experience and I thought I made it clear that it was my experience, not generalizing.
willFOURbagsbeenough · 06/02/2021 13:13

[quote PlinkPlink]@willFOURbagsbeenough

I had hip dysplasia as a baby and a harness.
As did my mum (hers was undiagnosed due to it being the 60s and she was adopted)
Genetically my daughter was at risk.

About 6 weeks after she was born we went to the paediatric clinic. They scanned her hips and they were under developed. Not majorly rnough for a harness but enough for it to be an issue.

So they recommended:

Hip exercises to be done at most nappy changes.

Baby wearing as much as possible... I have a wrap. Wraps are better for the M hip placement and not all baby wearing accessories promote this shape.

Cloth nappies. Cloth nappies are ideal for keeping hip ball and socket in the right place. If you look at a Pavlik harness for correcting DDH, the legs are kept wide apart at an angle to promote the hip development. Cloth nappies promote this to a certain extent with milder cases.

So that was the advice from 2 qualified paediatricians: one a sonographer and one a consultant.

After 2 weeks, we went back and her hips had improved. Co sultant also called in 2 trainees to look at the cloth nappies we were using to see the hip placement with it on.

This is the charity Steps, all about lower limb conditions.
www.stepsworldwide.org/conditions/hip-dysplasia-ddh/[/quote]
I know what it is recommended for hip dysplasia. It’s something I’ve known about for years. I simply wanted OP to realise that posting a link to a biased nappy selling page is not providing proof of anything.

Btw OP I’m pretty sure they’ve been doing baby wearing in Botswana for slightly longer than “decades”.

KatyClaire · 06/02/2021 13:14

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland your accusing me of trying to convert people to reusables when I share my experiences, but you aren’t accusing anyone of trying to convert me to disposables when they share their experiences. I don’t really think anyone is trying to convert anyone else - we’re just exchanging information and learning from one another. Nobody needs to be defensive about an open minded exchange of ideas - it’s a positive thing.

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KatyClaire · 06/02/2021 13:14

*you’re, sorry

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Bathbea · 06/02/2021 13:15

I couldn't be arsed to be honest.

PerspicaciousGreen · 06/02/2021 13:15

People don't value the environment as much as they value their own convenience . @WombatChocolate

I absolutely think this is true, but I also absolutely think that the moment in your life when you get a gold star VIP all access pass to valuing your own convenience over everything else in the universe is when you have a new baby.

I also agree with the PP who mentioned the people who go on about how easy breastfeeding is making people who find it hard give up at the first hurdle. It IS easy when your second baby is five months old and you just whip a boob out anywhere at any time. Not so easy when your first baby is five days old and you cry every time you try to feed him because it hurts so much and people just keep bleating on about "the latch".

willFOURbagsbeenough · 06/02/2021 13:16

maybe he could head onto Piston Heads or Twitter or some other male-dominated forum and convert a few more men then

This.

KatyClaire · 06/02/2021 13:16

@willFOURbagsbeenough do you have a scientific source for that? Wink

I jest. I’m only referring to decades because that’s my own experience from living there decades ago.

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bonbonours · 06/02/2021 13:18

People are generally lazy and don't bother with being environmentally friendly when it takes any effort at all. Also people just think it's much more work than it is, and people are wierd about washing things that are dirty. For the same reason most people think washable sanitary products are "gross". The whole point is you wash them and then they are clean.

WombatChocolate · 06/02/2021 13:19

At the moment, we have free choice about nappies. There isn’t really hardly any government intervention to incentivise one option over the other, so most people will choose convenience or perceived convenience over the alternative.

Some people are genuinely into protecting the environment. Most people like to say they are interested but in reality, don’t want to make choices that protect the environment as they cost themselves financially or in terms of effort. That’s the reality isn’t it in all our choices, whether they are about sanitary products, travel, packaging, clothing, food choices etc. Nappies are just another of those choices and a choice we face at a particular point in our lives which is for a short while for most.

All the barriers that stop people making environmentally friendly choices apply to nappies, plus the fact that it relates to poo, which perhaps makes some people more squeamish about their choices too.

People who have chosen to use cloth nappies or other environmental lifestyle choices, can become evangelistic about them. Often they have found that the inconveniences are smaller than thought, and because they value the environment highly, they think others should too. But the fact is, people just don’t. Environmental consequences of our actions and sending nappies to landfill to still be there in 500 years, won’t be seen in our lifetimes, an basically, people don’t give a shit about future generations and only about themselves. It is the reality.

So I wouldn’t expect there will be a sudden swing to cloth nappies. I used them because they saved me money (main reason for me) and it was a nice addition that they also are good for the environment. I also choose refurbished electrical products because they are cheaper, and then get to feel good because it’s a greener option too. But until and if the government financially incentivises one choice over the other or legislates to influence people’s choices over green issues, people will keep making the choice the benefit themselves.

People don’t like putting pooey nappies in a bucket, or tipping poo down the loo, or running their washing machine two or three times a week extra. In their minds, these are significant downsides. They want to change their baby and roll the nappy up with the poo inside it (who actually removes the poo from the disposable nappy) and throw the whole lot in the bin. After a week or fortnight, the bin is bursting with just 7 or 14 days or smelly nappies, many of which are full of shit, but they are taken away to be out I sight and out of mimd, and that’s what they care about. And with you. Families and all the pressures of modern life, that time saving and inconvenience saving feels worth it. Like lots of our choices, we don’t really want to think about them beyond what suits us. And actually at the moment, we are all free regarding nappies to do exactly what suits us....and that’s the explanation for why more people don’t use cloth nappies.

Attitudes are notoriously difficult to change. Information campaigns have to run for years and years and still struggle (think campion. To discourage smoking or campaign to boost breastfeeding). The population and government too havent made the mindset change and don’t have the will to push through attitude change or to legislate to incentivise change. So cloth nappies will remain niche.

And threads like these where people go off on other behaviours which seem very ‘right-on’ such as baby-wearing, just confirm in people’s minds that cloth nappies are for tree huggers and not people like them who live normal lives and don’t wear their babies.

willFOURbagsbeenough · 06/02/2021 13:25

Is there a big push to have older children/adult nappy wearers use cloth? What about hospitals? Are they being incentivised/guilted into using cloth pads on beds for the environment?

KatyClaire · 06/02/2021 13:27

I don’t know, I have no experience of those things.

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firstimemamma · 06/02/2021 13:35

@WombatChocolate you've hit the nail on the head.

willFOURbagsbeenough · 06/02/2021 13:37

@KatyClaire

I don’t know, I have no experience of those things.
Tbf you’ve very little experience of using cloth nappies too. But here you are....
Bathbea · 06/02/2021 13:48

@WombatChocolate some councils do give funding towards cloth nappies, but it seems patchy provision. Personally I couldn't deal with the extra work whilst DH was deployed and I suffered with almost crippling PND, I barely had the energy to wash myself or my clothes when they were honking, let alone nappies to ensure there were always a clean supply.

However, we haven't flown for a decade, I sold my car when I didn't need it for work and havent bought another, been veggie for 20 years, don't buy anything in plastic, use reusable San pro, just one child through choice, buy second hand clothing etc so do plenty for the environment, try and repurpose stuff rather than send it to landfill...nappies just weren't one of them, but in the scope of our families footprint I think we are still in a decent range personally.

I agree people don't always want to make life harder for themselves, but nappies are only part of the overall picture imo. If someone has 4 children it's more of an impact even if they use reusable nappies.

Buttercupcup · 06/02/2021 13:55

There are more barriers to using them than disposables:
-The initial outlay
-not everyone has a washing machine in the home/building or some people do but couldn’t afford the extra energy/products to run extra loads
-not everyone has a other half that would be supportive/helpful
-not everyone has the comprehension to read the absolute mountains of sometimes conflicting information and advice about them online
-some people have multiple issues going on in their lives and need convenience
-food/baby banks don’t usually hand them out (happy to be corrected but the local food bank I support takes packs of disposables as they are more affordable to purchase/donate)
-they don’t work for all babies skin and it’s a big outlay for something that may not work

I think it’s great they work for people and it would also be great for more people to use them. However it is blinkered to not see the list of barriers to them and I suspect the barriers are encountered by even more mums in times of a pandemic that has led to a change in circumstances and massively reduced support networks. Be grateful they work for you, you have the resources and the ability to navigate your way around it and you have a home situation that facilitates it.

WombatChocolate · 06/02/2021 14:08

I agree that lots of people might make loads of great environmentally friendly choices and still use disposable nappies. There are loads of choices to make.

But this thread is specifically why people don’t use reusable nappies....and the reasons come down to them valuing what they perceive as the convenience of them. That’s just a fact and reality, not a judgement about anyone.

We all have to make the choices about each area of life....travel, clothing , san pro, nappies, packaging. Some won’t choose the environmental option for any of those choices, some for one or two and some for all. Essentially, every time someone chooses the non environmental option for any of them, it’s because they are choosing the option that is best economically, or convenience wise for themselves and which fits their life better, rather than prioritising the environment. I do it too and usually pick the convenience option for myself. I’ve for my eyes wide open to myself. I do t feel any need to make it a competition and say I’m worse than X neighbour because I don’t do something green they do, or I’m better than Y person because I used cloth nappies and they didn’t.

In my mind this thread is about the WHY question as to why people do t use cloth nappies. I think it’s pretty easy to explain. The SHOULD THEY use cloth nappies is a different question altogether. And people drift from the WHY DONT THEY USE THEM Q into saying people should use them or at least implying it. People don’t like the suggestion it’s a moral issue. It probably is in reality, as are a lot of the choices we make every day, but it is a totally different question.

Toddlerteaplease · 06/02/2021 14:12

I've been a paediatric nurse for 17 years. I've met one baby wearing reusables! There are somethings that really need to be single use. Nappies and sanitary towels!

oblada · 06/02/2021 14:12

'Tbf you’ve very little experience of using cloth nappies too. But here you are...."

That's a bit rude.
If that helps I have 9yrs of using cloth nappies and I still find them fantastic.
Works for some and not others.
What matters is to recognise that and not assume that it will definitely be either v hard work or indeed v easy. It can be hard work, it can also be v easy, it depends on many factors. For us it was a no brainer, we just went for it and it worked out fab.
For my DH it seems to have been the environmental impact that mattered. For me I found them more convenient and I was worried about having a 'nappy bin' in the house (dogs).

oblada · 06/02/2021 14:18

@Toddlerteaplease

I've been a paediatric nurse for 17 years. I've met one baby wearing reusables! There are somethings that really need to be single use. Nappies and sanitary towels!
That's a bit of a blinkered view on things. As long as you don't discourage parents from using them then fine I suppose. I've met a fair few nurses over the years with my kids and all of them have been very complimentary of our washable nappies, no issue at all. As for San pro - it can definitely be washable too and I find those great as well (though mainly I use a cup). And why not? If it works...
Dustyhedge · 06/02/2021 14:18

For me it’s convenience. I think if we’d been forced into reusables we’d just crack on. There probably does need to be a societal intervention but if the figures re tumble dryers negating the benefit are correct then the case isn’t there for legislation (eg if disposables were banned we would definitely use a tumble dryer). Funding starter packs might be a start. I’d probably have given them a go if I’d have some for free. Changing the marketing might also work eg could there be more of a push at toddler age for reusables before potty training etc. Sometimes the reusable community can be a bit evangelical which also puts people off a bit.

willFOURbagsbeenough · 06/02/2021 14:25

That's a bit rude.

It’s not really, it’s quite accurate. OP has a new baby, her first, so her experience with cloth nappies is very limited.

willFOURbagsbeenough · 06/02/2021 14:26

If that helps I have 9yrs of using cloth nappies and I still find them fantastic.
Works for some and not others.
What matters is to recognise that and not assume that it will definitely be either v hard work or indeed v easy. It can be hard work, it can also be v easy, it depends on many factors.

Exactly, this is what your experience gives you. Insight. Instead of “I just don’t understand why people don’t use them”