To remove dd from RS

[MossandRoy]

The lack of balance is annoying. There is an assumption that there is a god. There is an assumption that everyone believes in that god. I can remove her. Has anyone done this successfully? I'm concerned she'll be given a hard time...

@Xerochrysum

Seriously, what is the point of your comment? Sigh.

It’s the internet ...

You seem to be determined that children should not be taught about different religions in general though

You seem to have missed the post where I said I can see a case for teaching about religions in school as part of the history or ethics curriculum, for instance. My beef is it being a whole separate, compulsory part of the curriculum for years on end. It's pointless overkill: either you're bored by it and won't absorb it anyway, or you're interested in it and could pick it up outside school if you wanted. And I get annoyed when people claim not knowing about religion makes you ignorant. I'll ask again, are all British school leavers ignorant because they've not studied philosophy?

Well i am certainly ignorant about philosophy because I wasn’t taught about it, I have done some reading around the topic as an adult but yes I am still ignorant of that topic.

I don’t think ignorance of any topic is good but given the choice I think for normal life being ignorant about philosophy is less of an issue that being ignorant about religion.

are all British school leavers ignorant because they've not studied philosophy?

Probably, yes. As in the original dictionary definition of the word (untaught). I certainly am.

I don’t think ignorance of any topic is good but given the choice I think for normal life being ignorant about philosophy is less of an issue that being ignorant about religion.

I agree with you @Sirzy

VinylDetective, well, thanks for correcting my ignorance.
I normally appreciate people correcting me for my lack of English ability as a non native speaker, but you some how hit my nerve.

I am sorry to state a wrong opinion. Have a lovely day.

But it is claimed on this thread that not studying religion makes you an ignorant person, not just ignorant about religion. Teenagers who are interested can pick it up by themselves, those who aren’t are just going to sit bored at the back of the class for years on end. If you want to build tolerance of other cultures, why isn’t language learning mandatory? It would be much more immediately useful.

Somehow I have posted that on completely rje wrong thread I have asked mnhq to delete

@KeflavikAirport

But it is claimed on this thread that not studying religion makes you an ignorant person, not just ignorant about religion. Teenagers who are interested can pick it up by themselves, those who aren’t are just going to sit bored at the back of the class for years on end. If you want to build tolerance of other cultures, why isn’t language learning mandatory? It would be much more immediately useful.

Well I can only go off what I have read but have only seen people rightly saying it makes you ignorant about religion.

As far as I know all secondary schools have mandatory MFL for at least ks3 and most primary schools also teach it at a basic level.

I think all secondary schools offer a foreign language in key stage 3 anyway. Not all of them make it compulsory at GCSE. I feel that one of the problems is that we don't have enough good MFL teachers. The provision at DD's school was poor.

Cross posted @Sirzy

@sirzy

Yes, MFL is compulsory from Year 3 in England.

@KeflavikAirport

Not knowing a particular set of things doesn't make you ignorant though, that's my whole point. Do you feel ignorant for (presumably) not knowing about Maimonides and Schopenhauer?

But not studying it and studying something else in its place is very different to advocating nobody should study it at all.

I think you ABU! Its not about making everyone believe in God - its about educating and teaching tolerance! It is important that children have a good understanding of different people's beliefs and above all; tolerance of them.
IMO ignorance around religion is one of the reasons why we have racism.
Regardless of your beliefs; your children should have the chance to learn and grow and understand thw many beliefs around the world.

MummyMayo1998 Good point. Would like to add that you can't make anyone believe in God or force them to trust in Jesus. 'A person forced against their will is of the same opinion still' is true. What you can do is to give children (and adults) choices. But if you don't give them the information to allow them to make those choices, you are impoverishing them.
And by the way, I actually wrote a thesis on 'The Hundred Guilder Print', and had I not known anything about the new testament, I would not have understood the imagery contained in it. Certainly, in western civilisation, knowledge of Christianity is necessary to understand history, politics, art and some literature.

Yes I agree it can instill racism in ur child itd be really sad if ur child saw someone dressed a little differently/etc and naturally kids can make fun because they havent understood why someone is doing what thyre doing. Usually these kids are known as ignorant kids. I have friends from different ethnicities and they have had racial abuse at school and these kids are known to come from ignorant families who never bothered to get their kids educated in the home and in ur instance at school aswel.
There is a fairly low opinion of these children tbh and it is the parents fault for not instilling these values from a younger age. Ofcourse as the child gets older they might develop their own views.
Unless this is ur intention and u want ur child to be this way because ur views are as such?

Certainly, in western civilisation, knowledge of Christianity is necessary to understand history, politics, art and some literature

This point has been done to death and comprehensively debunked.

So teaching RE must mean Britain is currently held up internationally as a shining beacon of racial tolerance and harmony, right? No problems with racism or religious intolerance to be found anywhere.

@KeflavikAirport

Certainly, in western civilisation, knowledge of Christianity is necessary to understand history, politics, art and some literature

This point has been done to death and comprehensively debunked.

It’s definitely been reiterated by numerous posters because it’s true. You’re the only person who persists in refuting it.

@KeflavikAirport

So teaching RE must mean Britain is currently held up internationally as a shining beacon of racial tolerance and harmony, right? No problems with racism or religious intolerance to be found anywhere.

Has anyone said that ?

You keep making this random points that nobody else has made.

No I am not. I’m not disputing that some knowledge can enhance appreciation of art, I’m disputing that a) it is indispensable b) there is no other way of acquiring that knowledge c) that fifteen year olds sitting bored in class for half an hour is really going to give them an appreciation of the finer points of Rembrandt. And d) other forms of knowledge not currently taught in school are equally as important in understanding the Western cultural heritage.

@KeflavikAirport

No I am not. I’m not disputing that some knowledge can enhance appreciation of art, I’m disputing that a) it is indispensable b) there is no other way of acquiring that knowledge c) that fifteen year olds sitting bored in class for half an hour is really going to give them an appreciation of the finer points of Rembrandt. And d) other forms of knowledge not currently taught in school are equally as important in understanding the Western cultural heritage.

All fine.

None a reason to withdraw it.

The problem with relying on people finding their own knowledge is those who need to learn will be the ones least likely to go in the hunt of it

Those most in need of it don’t have their minds changed by RE classes, or Tommy Robinson wouldn’t be a bigot.

@KeflavikAirport

Those most in need of it don’t have their minds changed by RE classes, or Tommy Robinson wouldn’t be a bigot.

Did Tommy Robinson even go to school?