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To think mental health doesn't justify breaking my things?

74 replies

NextWinter · 02/02/2021 20:17

My husband just threw my kindle at the wall in a fit of rage. I know its only technology but its one of the very first ones and I've been so careful with it and its been all over the world with me and now its shattered.
He has mental health problems (medicated and had therapy in the past that hasn't helped and on waiting list for more) and will say that is the reason he got cross. I've never suffered so don't know if iabu to think that bad MH shouldn't excuse bad behaviour.

OP posts:
PlanDeRaccordement · 03/02/2021 10:05

Funny how it’s your thing he’s smashed. I mean you’d think someone who is out of control and doesn’t know what they’re doing would just pick something at random, and that the chances of it being yours would be slim,

Depends on the pack rat tendencies of each partner. My DH is a packrat. About 80% of our stuff is his stuff. But for most people, I think in an isolated incident it would be fifty-fifty Chance the object grabbed would be yours or theirs.

gaijinetal · 03/02/2021 10:26

I know it might seem silly that its breaking the kindle that has done it

No, what seems silly (with no judgement of you at all I should emphasise) is that the person doesnt get out when the first thing is destoyed, when the egg-shell walking sets in.

Of course lots of things make that not the case for so any people. Though after a relationship like this, they might walk quickly if they see it again.

Whatisthisfuckery · 03/02/2021 10:39

I have had serious bipolar episodes that have landed me in hospital and I’ve only ever chosen to throw or kick things or shout at people. Sure they’ve been strong impulses but each time it’s happened I’ve allowed myself to do it, it’s always been a choice I could have rejected if I’d wanted. I mean if the OP’s H is psychotic and throwing Kingles at the devil then fair enough, but if that was the case I’m rather sure the OP would be seeking advice from MH professionals rather than MN.

Nope, the OP’s H, just like me, and just like any other non-psychotic mentally ill or not mentally ill person who kicks off, is in control of their impulses. Him fucking OP’s Kindle against the wall is a controlled act. Just because it’s bad, doesn’t mean it’s uncontrolled, far from it.

Whatisthisfuckery · 03/02/2021 10:52

The OP’s H might have poor impulse control, but poor impulse control is a bad thing, and like other bad things it has to be worked on. Judging by OP’s subsequent posts he’s not been doing this. an excusable thing.

Whatisthisfuckery · 03/02/2021 10:53

So it’s not an excusable thing*

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 03/02/2021 11:02

It isn't an excuse. He may be feeling very low but he knows what he's doing. I'd be getting out.

thosetalesofunexpected · 03/02/2021 11:44

@NextWinter

Hi Op
Don't carry on being a Arsehole whisper

thosetalesofunexpected · 03/02/2021 11:49

@NextWinter

Its not worth it op.!
For your Own Sanity.!

For your own emotional/mental well being.!
Find a way to get out of this hell hole of a marriage !
As you will always be a hair trigger away from a constantly erupting Volcanic eruption from your husband emotional abusive pattern of behair.!
Its a well trodden excuse for Arsehole abuser of his wife to make.

thosetalesofunexpected · 03/02/2021 11:51

@NextWinter
Oops typo mistake I ment to say your husbands emotionally abusive behaviour !

waydownwego · 03/02/2021 11:52

@NextWinter

It's funny how he didn't break something of his in a rage.

When my ex broke my stuff, he always got huffy I was upset. Funny how he never damaged any of his own possessions.

It's about respect.

Throwntothewolves · 03/02/2021 12:07

His behaviour is awful. My ExH has mental health issues, he didn't break my stuff, but he did other extreme and abusive things apparently because of his mental health. I always said that mental health may be a reason for poor behaviour, but it is never an excuse.

ZebraSpotts · 03/02/2021 12:09

Sorry, unfortunately it's time to go.
By time i posted on MN, I was looking for confirmation of what I already knew and strength to get through leaving. I imagine you already know the same too, that it's inexcusable and time to end it.

ZebraSpotts · 03/02/2021 12:10

He's an abusive man, who just happens to aldo have MH issues. (No excuse)

Changechangychange · 03/02/2021 12:13

@FFSAllTheGoodOnesArereadyTaken

I think it depends what the MH issue is and whether he is having an acute episode...for example a someone having a schizophrenic episode and thinking something in the kindle is spying on them...an ex soldier with PTSD that has been unexpectedly triggered then situations like that are maybe understandable if they happen rarely. Someone who is chronically depressed and anxious and who regularly takes their anger out on their partner just sounds like an abusive asshole
Thee we bring is, even if it is perfectly well explained as an understandable side effect of their MH issues, OP doesn’t have to live in an environment where her stuff is smashed up, and she tiptoes around on eggshells trying to avoid setting him off.

He can have genuine MH issues AND she can leave. It isn’t one or the other.

Ihatefish · 03/02/2021 12:15

I suffer quite extreme mental health problems. Luckily it has never made me violent. I do know this though if my health was putting others in danger I would be removing myself from the situation whilst I sorted not being a danger.

Even at my lowest points I still have awareness on how my actions impact others it’s how my actions and thoughts impact me that I find is the issue re mental health.

Pinkblueberry · 03/02/2021 12:18

If his mental health is as bad as that - he starts breaking and smashing things and has no control over that - he could be a candidate for needing to be sectioned. Have you told him that?

justanotherneighinparadise · 03/02/2021 12:22

Nope. I’d also be out the door.

CorianderBee · 03/02/2021 12:22

Nope that's abusive and he owes you a new kindle and then he can fuck off.

Idontknowausername · 03/02/2021 12:47

@NextWinter

Thanks all. He's not even acknowledged it. I don't want a new one, he can't buy his way out. He's been on loads of different meds and is on a couple now and he does have good periods and bad and he is in a bad period but I've realised ,and its been confirmed on here that its not up to me to get him through it. He needs to do it himself. He's not psychotic, he's diagnosed as clinically depressed with BPD traits although recently they have moved away from the BPD diagnosis. I know it might seem silly that its breaking the kindle that has done it, but I don't want to live like this anymore. I don't currently have any options but I'm going to have to work out a way to get some.
Even if they stuck with the BPD diagnoses it’s not an excuse to break your stuff. I was diagnosed when I was 18, since about the age of 11 I was known to snap laptops in half, smash my stuff etc (usually during arguments with my alcoholic mother) and sometimes when I’m in a bad place I still do it. Just the other day I smashed my ceramic money pot. Usually my partner can tell when things are going to go wrong and puts my valuable stuff high up where I can’t reach.

He’s got ADHD and so has anger issues too (two people with severe anger issues and yet we never argue. The rage is always caused by outside factors and not from arguing with each other) and is the same as me, breaks his own stuff when he’s really mad. Once, he head butted his tablet and smashed the screen, I bought him a new one after because I knew if I bought it then he wouldn’t break it (he’d value it more) whereas if he’d bought himself a new one it’d probably just get broken again.

So, all of this and we’ve NEVER broken each other’s stuff. Only our own. And never because we’re angry at each other. Yes we’re both terrible at controlling our anger and have mental health issues but we still manage to respect each other’s stuff. Your husband just sounds like a prick tbh, like other posters have said, does he ever break his own stuff or just yours? I’d go and smash something of his back tbh. Xbox in the bath maybe?

Spidey66 · 03/02/2021 12:51

The only time a mental health issue can excuse violence is if, for instance someone is floridly psychotic and is having acute hallucinations and/or has a complex delusional system, which is absolutely terrifying for the sufferer. But this is rare, and does not appear to be the case here.

Eckhart · 03/02/2021 17:22

@Spidey66

The only time a mental health issue can excuse violence is if, for instance someone is floridly psychotic and is having acute hallucinations and/or has a complex delusional system, which is absolutely terrifying for the sufferer. But this is rare, and does not appear to be the case here.
It doesn't excuse it, it explains it.

And it still doesn't change how their partner should deal with it. It's abuse, and the victim needs to step away and stay away until the partner has dealt with the issues fully.

What it changes is how the perpetrator deals with it.

Spidey66 · 03/02/2021 20:49

@Eckhart fair enough, explains it is probably a better turn of phrase.

Arobase · 05/02/2021 00:35

Does he work, and does he throw things at the wall at work? if not, he can control his temper when he wants to, and should do so at home.

AnotherEmma · 05/02/2021 00:43

Lundy Bancroft:

THE MENTALLY ILL OR ADDICTED ABUSER

This last category is not actually separate from the others; an abusive man of any of the aforementioned styles can also have psychiatric or substance-abuse problems, although the majority do not. Even when mental illness or addiction is a factor, it is not the cause of a man's abuse of his partner, but it can contribute to the severity of his problem and his resistance to change. When these additional problems are present, it is important to be aware of the following points:

  1. Certain mental illnesses can increase the chance that an abuser will be dangerous and use physical violence. These include paranoia, severe depression, delusions or hallucinations (psychosis), obsessive-compulsive disorder, and antisocial personality disorder known as psychopathy or sociopathy). These psychiatric conditions also make it next to impossible for an abuser to change, at least until the mental illness has been brought under control through therapy and/or medication, which can take years. Even if the mental illness is properly treated, his abusiveness won't necessarily change.
  1. An abuser's reactions to going on or off medication are unpredictable. A woman should take extra precautions for her safety at such a time. Abusers tend to go off medication before long—I have had few clients who were consistent and responsible about taking their meds in the long term. They don't like the side effects, and they are too selfish to care about the implications of the mental illness for their partners or children.
  1. The potential danger of a mentally ill abuser has to be assessed by looking at the severity of his psychiatric symptoms in combination with the severity of his abuse characteristics. Looking at his psychiatric symptoms alone can lead to underestimating how dangerous he is.
  1. Antisocial personality disorder is present in only a small percentage of abusers but can be important. Those who suffer from this condition lack a conscience and thus are repeatedly involved in behaviors that are harmful to others. Some signs of this condition include: (a) He started getting into illegal behavior when he was still a teenager; (b) his dishonest or aggressive behavior involves situations unrelated to his partner, rather than being restricted to her; (c) he periodically gets into trouble at workplaces or in other contexts for stealing, threatening, or refusing to follow instructions and is likely to have a considerable criminal record by about age thirty, though the offenses may be largely minor ones; (d) he is severely and chronically irresponsible in a way that disrupts the lives of others or creates danger; and (e) he tends to cheat on women a lot, turn them against each other, and maintain shallow relationships with them. The psychopath's physical violence is not necessarily severe, contrary to the popular image, but he may be very dangerous nonetheless. Antisocial personality disorder is very difficult to change through therapy, and there is no effective medication for treating it. It is highly compatible with abusiveness toward women.
  1. Those who suffer from narcissistic personality disorder have a highly distorted self-image. They are unable to accept that they might have faults and therefore are unable to imagine how other people perceive them. This condition is highly compatible with abusiveness, though it is present in only a small percentage of abusive men. Clues to the presence of this disorder include: (a) Your partner's self-centeredness is severe, and it carries over into situations that don't involve you; (b) he seems to relate everything back to himself; and (c) he is outraged whenever anyone criticizes him and is incapable of considering that he could ever be anything other than kind and generous. This disorder is highly resistant to therapy and is not treatable with medication. The abuser with this disorder is not able to change substantially through an abuser program either, although he sometimes makes some minor improvements.
  1. Many abusers who are not mentally ill want women to think that they are, in order to avoid responsibility for their attitudes and behavior.

Substance abuse, like mental illness, does not cause partner abuse but can increase the risk of violence. Like the mentally ill abuser, the addicted abuser doesn't change unless he deals with his addiction, and even that is only the first step. Chapter 8 examines the role that substances play in partner abuse.

The attitudes driving the mentally ill or addicted batterer are the same as those of other abusers and will likely follow the pattern of one of the nine styles described above. In addition, the following attitudes tend to be present:

• I am not responsible for my actions because of my psychological or substance problems.

• If you challenge me about my abusiveness, you are being mean to me, considering these other problems I have. It also shows that you don't understand my other problems.

• I'm not abusive, I'm just———(alcoholic, drug addicted, manic-depressive, an adult child of alcoholics, or whatever his condition may be).

• If you challenge me, it will trigger my addiction or mental illness, and you'll be responsible for what I do.

[from "Why does he do that?", abuser profiles in this thread

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