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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

AIBU - Pride & Prejudice.

357 replies

2020iscancelled · 29/01/2021 14:43

A much beloved book
A fantastic BBC adaptation mini series

Then the horror of THAT awful, awful Keira Knightly film.

I knew it was bad but I rewatched it recently and it is just terrible.

I will concede the film itself is fine, the locations beautiful and no issues with the acting per se. But it is so far away from the real P&P it’s actually criminal.

So AIBU?

YABU - it’s wonderful and sums up the story to perfection.

YANBU - it’s an abomination

OP posts:
Twizbe · 29/01/2021 17:20

I love persuasion. I never liked it when I was younger but it's grown on me. Ciaran hinds is sooooooo sexy as wentworth.

Toddlerteaplease · 29/01/2021 17:20

YANBU. I hate the KK version.

JaneJeffer · 29/01/2021 17:21

Than you @SpiderGwen. I didn't even know that MM and KH were married. All my celeb gossip is at least 20 years old!

MusicalTrifleMonkey · 29/01/2021 17:22

Loved the film, hated the tv series.

But neither a patch on the book.

Camparispritzandcrisps · 29/01/2021 17:22

It's an abject abomination. Utterly misses the point of the novel, all the characters are awful and devoid of any sort of charm or appeal.

crosspelican · 29/01/2021 17:24

I showed the KK one to my little girls recently, and found myself pausing it constantly to repeat the lines to them - I'd never noticed before how poor the sound editing was and how difficult it was to understand the speech.

GrouchyKiwi · 29/01/2021 17:25

@florascotia2

This goes back to what a poster said on page 2, I think. To my mind, there IS a definitive version of Persuasion, with Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds, plus a fabulous supporting cast, including Harriet Walter, Fiona Shaw, Corin Redgrave and the late lamented Susan Fleetwood.... I'm not alone in this view drama.uktv.co.uk/persuasion/article/4-reasons-you-should-make-time-persuasion/

In the BBC drama I thought Jennifer Ehle was good and genuinely old-fashionedly pretty - and FWIW her figure type was quite admired in Regency times; Colin Firth was also lovely to look at and was in a part that suited him. Otherwise, I thought Bingley and his sisters (all important in the plot/moral landscape) were effective. Mr Collins was quite brilliant.

I LOVE that version of Persuasion. It is utterly perfect.

I found this picture today while looking for defence of Harker's Jane as a Regency beauty.

But YANBU, OP. The Joe Wright film is a travesty.

JaneJeffer · 29/01/2021 17:25

*thank you!

UserEleventyNine · 29/01/2021 17:27

I never liked it when I was younger but it's grown on me.

Yes, I think Persuasion is a book that appeals more to a slightly older reader. I re-read it regularly and still sometimes find something new.

TatianaBis · 29/01/2021 17:28

LOL Colin Firth in Bridget Jones is supposed to be playing his character in P&P

That’s what we thought at the time, except it turns out he’s exactly the same in all his other films.

JustAnotherUserinParadise · 29/01/2021 17:29

haha @littlepeas I think my dad looks a bit like Timothy Dalton - ruins those Bond films for me!

florascotia2 · 29/01/2021 17:30

I agree with you there Tatiana!

Snapsnapcrocodile · 29/01/2021 17:31

@ancientgran

I thought Alison Steadman as Mrs Bennett was a let down. I can't rewatch it because of her. I actually like Alison Steadman but not in this part.
Same here. Can’t stand her as Mrs Bennet: too broad, too screechy, too unsubtle. Ruins it for me. Brenda Blethyn was much better.

My view: best Lizzie and Darcy portrayals in the BBC one, best everyone else in the film version. Except neither Lydia was great, actually.

I really liked the film.

Viviennemary · 29/01/2021 17:32

I agree completely. Elizabeth was nothing like the gormless airhead played by Keira Knightly.

JaneJeffer · 29/01/2021 17:32

@Twizbe

Am I right in thinking the woman who played Jane in the 95 BBC version was heavily pregnant for a chunk of it?
Yes she was and looked it!
OhCaptain · 29/01/2021 17:33

I’m going to have to disagree about Persuasion.

Rupert Penry-Jones is my Wentworth. I will die on this hill.

stackemhigh · 29/01/2021 17:33

I like it. I remember watching it in the cinema in my early 20s on a rainy afternoon with friends and then spending hours in a cafe having hot chocolate and cake. It’s very nostalgic for me and I always watch it when it’s on the telly.

There aren’t nearly enough adaptations of P&P.

TatianaBis · 29/01/2021 17:33

@florascotia2

The best adaption I’ve seen of P&P Is the older BBC one - both in terms of script - which was by Fay Wheldon, and performances - Elizabeth Garvey absolutely nailed Lizzie.

But it was made in 1980 when TV acting was more stage-influenced, and on a lower budget. It wouldn’t suit modern audiences.

JustAnotherUserinParadise · 29/01/2021 17:34

Also LOVE Bride and Prejudice!

And the best version of Emma is the Kate Beckinsale one!

And Mansfield park - Frances O'Connor one :)

I'm sure I've seen a version of Emma where Jonny Lee Miller (Edmund in MP) played Mr Knightly... it was just wrong!

Iwillneverbesatisfied · 29/01/2021 17:34

Kiera Knightley is such a shite actress. So wooden. So is matthew whatshisnname as Mr Darcy and the ending yes is shit.

Lydia, Wickham and Mr Bingley are also really shit.

I thought Mrs Bennett was portrayed better - hated the BBC OTT version of Mrs Bennett. In the film, she seems a much more loving mother and less selfish and spoilt. Mr Collins was much less creepy and more how I imagined him from the books. I also liked Jane better in the film too.

So I guess there are advantages and disadvantages to both the BBC and film version.

My favourite Austen book is Persuasion yet neither film or tv version portrays it well enough.

OhCaptain · 29/01/2021 17:34

My view: best Lizzie and Darcy portrayals in the BBC one, best everyone else in the film version. Except neither Lydia was great, actually.

Nooooo! BBC’s Bingley was perfect. And the Mr. Collins.

And Donald Sutherland was dire as Mr. Bennet!

Diverseopinions · 29/01/2021 17:36

I think Alison Steadman and Julia Swahalia capture the comedy really well. Just superbly. That Lydia is amazing. The interplay between all the sisters at that time of crisis is magnificent in the Andrew Davies (?) Jennifer Ehle version.

In all fairness, there is something of the wild, free spirit in the Lizzy who walks for miles through muddy fields to reach Jane when she is unwell at Bingley's. She's a bit fiery standing up to Darcy's aunt. I can see where the KK production was going with the passion and hot-headedness, because tl she is s curious character, EB. She is quite sarcastic and unkind to people in her so-called cleverness, and I can't quite see why Mr Darcy would find the barbs about Bingley's family that enchanting, unless they emanated from a wild exuberance of personality. Scenes of KK running outdoors - she is outdoorsy, give it an almost Romantic movement Cathy and Heathcliff feel, when Darcy's emoting too. EB seems to capture his wild heart which tempestuously beats under social restraint. The KK version makes the romance believable. But Jane Austen hated all that Romanticism, hence Northanger Abbey pastiche of it. So, I don't think Austen intended her sort of feminist to be over-run with emotions. The Brontë sisters wondered to each other whether Austen even knew feelings.

KK's interpretation makes sense because Elizabeth Bennet is not that nice, really; unless you give her pronouncements a devil-may-care root. At the end, Lizzy tells her aunt that she first thought of Mr D as a mate when she viewed the grounds of Pemberley. Very shallow. And being more moral and restrained than Lydia is hardly indicative of inner dignity. She seems a vehicle for how JA herself would like to be, if fine eyes and cleverness really trumped class barriers - a sort of fantasy which probably was as unlikely as the plot of Pretty Woman - although not impossible and joyful when it happens.

Andrew Davies is a genius interpreting setting and manners and character ( not that it isn't all there in the book to be easily interpreted and dialogue lifted).

I think Mrs Bennet is an over-the-top character, so I think AS acting does justice to the huge shock it would have caused Mr Darcy and the Bingleys to hear talk of a marriage putting the other girls in the way of rich men. It would be pretty shocking if somebody said that in this day and age - if Carole Middleton were ever to have been heard saying something similar about going to St Andrews University, etc, etc - not that she ever would: far to dignified and discreet.

The humour is great in the Jennifer Ehle, BBC version. It seems as though subsequent films want to do something better, but you can't better it. The Andrew ? version of Emma was very true to the novel too, but, like a previous poster, I believe you can't better the old - is it 1970's? - BBC adaptation of Emma.

Kljnmw3459 · 29/01/2021 17:36

It's not to my liking

florascotia2 · 29/01/2021 17:39

Tatiana - we agree again! (David Rintoul was Darcy in the Fay Weldon adaptation. Elizabeth Garvey was I agree very, very good. )

As a more general point, in a lot of older works - in text or whatever medium - what was NOT said was just as important as what was spelled out in capital letters. It left considerable scope for the reader to exercise their own imagination and incoporate their own interpretations. And was infinitely more subtle.

Ashard20 · 29/01/2021 17:40

If it doesn't have "that" moment when Colin Firth is sitting on the sofa, watching Elizabeth turning pages for Georgiana, then there is no point in even contemplating a different version... (sighs dreamily)