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4 weeks of extra school in the summer

442 replies

noblegiraffe · 29/01/2021 10:17

Justine Greening (former Ed sec you’ve probably forgotten) has asked that every child get a guaranteed 4 extra weeks of schooling over the summer.

Practicalities of this aside (imagine it is a fully funded army of well-trained, eager and willing tutors, fresh and full of energy rocking up to your kids’ school), do you want this for your children? When you saw the thread title were you ‘yes!’ or ‘god no!’?

Personally I want my kids spending the summer taking advantage of lower restrictions to visit people they haven’t seen since last summer and doing outdoor, fun activities. Education isn’t the only thing they have been missing out on.

However, I know that others are very worried about the missing education and may consider the summer better spent catching up.

YABU: I want 4 weeks of extra school in the summer holidays

YANBU: I want my kids to have the summer off to do other things

OP posts:
Supermum29 · 30/01/2021 22:19

I think 4 weeks is a bit long be ok if it was 4 weeks of mornings or afternoon sessions but not full on days.

My dd is 9, we’ve struggled with homeschooling around my work. I work in commercial insurance and it’s been a very very busy time with businesses needing/wanting to try and claim back losses, constant changes to their cover due to lockdown restrictions. Conscious of impending sats tests and 11+ I would definitely accept some additional support for my daughter. A few weeks catching up to give her the help she needs would be worth it. Id happily manage my time to ensure she still gets time with family and friends that she has also lacked during lockdown.

christmasathomeagain · 30/01/2021 22:28

My children's school has provided excellent online provision so they don't need it or want it.

kindlingtwigs · 31/01/2021 04:42

@Dustyboots

4 weeks extra in our shit school would be a waste of time. The teachers are crap. So I’d say no.
Why is your child there? Unless you realised it's shit during the pandemic surely you'd have moved them ?
RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 10:02

@BabyT1

What about those who haven't been able to attend? For many reasons, No laptops, Poor or no Internet connections. Is it their fault that they can't keep up? Or should we just forget about them and only concentrate on the ones that are lucky enough to be able to attend🤦🏽‍♀️😔
Target any catch up. In school.

If enforced repetition of years or extra sessions in holidays is negatively going to impact on some kids you can't make it mandatory. Especially, to be blunt about it, if the parents of the kids doing ok are better off. They simply won't tolerate it. These are parents with influence and who vote.

The flip to that is catch up outside normal school hours will also far too often not benefit those who need it most. The reality is that some parents in this situation wont want to bother. Cos education just isn't something they value nor think important.

People want a holiday. People need a holiday.

By all means look at holiday catch up being available in areas most in need but its not needed everywhere. Tbh areas which need catch up most, need long term real investment in schools more than catch up lessons anyway. If you have a situation where teachers are buying basic supplies from their own pocket, you are on a loser to begin with. There is arguably a case to be made for limiting class sizes to say 20 or under in areas of deprivation and historic poor attainment levels until there is a marked improvement. That might mean building extra classrooms or schools.

Make a real difference to the educational opportunities kids have by recognising the problem relates to chronic inequality issues rather than a temporary issue. Otherwise you end up with catchup sessions really being about giving a boost to the children of middle class working parents with guilt about how they don't have time to home school rather than addressing issues where kids live in overcrowded homes without wifi, laptops and sufficient room to work. Cos if you dont have these things in normal times your ability to do homework and study is impaired permanently not just affected by covid.

Why are we need discussing the need for 'study rooms' or sessions after school that kids can attend for this reason? We know this is a resourcing issue and one that all ready stretched teachers can not provide. It needs additional staffing and funding.

The demand for catch up lessons really rather misses the point and ignores the structural issues here. Its about making sure that middle class kids don't lose out rather than those who actually have been disadvantaged most during the pandemic.

Repeating a year doesn't change this either. Indeed if we added an extra year to compulsory schooling that has an economic impact on the poorest families most. And it doesn't really solve the long term issues here. You are also more likely to end up with behavioual issues or distress in the kids doing well through boredom and frustration at not actually learning anything.

The problem is inequality in education. Think about it in those terms properly.

It is ultimately not loss of education in one year.

motherrunner · 31/01/2021 10:09

@Dustyboots

4 weeks extra in our shit school would be a waste of time. The teachers are crap. So I’d say no.
@Dustyboots If you truly believe that why don’t you move your children schools?
NelAntartic · 31/01/2021 10:13

@Dustyboots What have you done about this "shit school"?

What makes you say that they are "shit"? Genuine question - not being goady.

Tanaria · 31/01/2021 10:45

Fuck no. I'd actually like to spend some time with my kids. Both as I have been teaching throughout and because all of them have got on with it and have worked as they normally would. Children need time to have a life outside of school and explore things in an out-of-classroom scenario to be functional in adulthood.

eastegg · 31/01/2021 12:21

I WOTH in a key worker role and I have had to apply for and have approved summer leave already. It's hotspot leave, has to be sorted early January and can't be changed. So no, schooling for 4 weeks over the summer won't work for us. What if it overlaps with the leave I've booked, I don't see my kids for most of the summer?

DenisetheMenace · 31/01/2021 12:24

Who does Ms. Greening suggest will be teaching them? The teachers and TAs and support staff who have been working throughout?

PeachyPeachTrees · 31/01/2021 14:53

My kids Y6 and Y4 are not falling behind in their education and my Y6 son will need a break before he starts secondary school. We plan a UK beach holiday, something we cancelled last year.

PeachyPeachTrees · 31/01/2021 14:54

The teachers NEED a break.

Iggly · 31/01/2021 17:11

@PeachyPeachTrees

My kids Y6 and Y4 are not falling behind in their education and my Y6 son will need a break before he starts secondary school. We plan a UK beach holiday, something we cancelled last year.
That’s good for you. Sadly not the case for a lot of children.
TillyFloss10 · 31/01/2021 17:30

As long it is optional, and it is optional for all staff such as TA's, site staff (although some do have year round contracts), catering staff, IT support and cleaning staff.
Or will the tutors do all that too?

caspersmagicaljourney · 31/01/2021 17:30

Won't everyone, children and adults, want to be enjoying themselves by then hopefully?
You know, the things we haven't been able to do for months, like go on holiday (UK), catch up with friends and relatives not seen for months, generally unwinding a bit before the grind restarts in September.
If I had children, no way would they be doing another 4 weeks of school after a year like this one. Poor things.

caspersmagicaljourney · 31/01/2021 17:31

@PeachyPeachTrees

The teachers NEED a break.
The support staff NEED a break too.
Justthebeerlighttoguide · 31/01/2021 17:38

A week maybe useful but my dd is getting school everyday via Oak academy.
She also gets 2, 1:1 reading seasons each week.

From a social pov that would be good but I think summer, being able to access the outdoors, move.. Is more important. Many teachers are working, more than the first lock down, so who would staff these schools? Teachers will need a break.

LadyofMisrule · 04/02/2021 18:02

Teachers have been working flat out to provide offline lessons, on-line lessons AND classroom teaching. I'm sure they will be delighted to have an extra four weeks of work added on. Will OFSTED be doing inspections over the summer too?

nanbread · 04/02/2021 18:30

@LadyofMisrule

Teachers have been working flat out to provide offline lessons, on-line lessons AND classroom teaching. I'm sure they will be delighted to have an extra four weeks of work added on. Will OFSTED be doing inspections over the summer too?
Teachers certainly aren't providing all those things at our school, they are either:

Teaching in school as usual

Or

Doing video lessons / uploading material to Seesaw.

No live lessons. Only about 20 mins of video lessons. Material not adapted for online (ie printable worksheets uploaded).

I doubt uploading the online work is any more work than being a teacher, and I doubt being a teacher in school is much more work than usual.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'd love to understand why they are working SO hard right now.

NCforthisconvo · 04/02/2021 18:39

I’m a TA and have worked part time to full time hours depending on who’s been in since Sept. My children have been in school while I’ve worked. I don’t think they’d be keen on 4 weeks of learning over summer and I wouldn’t be happy with being asked to go in (if that’s what it came down to).

Flipflops85 · 04/02/2021 18:51

@nanbread

I’m doing recorded lessons (after my children go to bed, often until 11pm-midnight)
Teaching kids in school
Creating paper work for those who need it
Phone calls for safeguarding/ checking in
Doorstep visits
Logging every single thing I do for kids at home, on a central system

It is probably at least double my work load.

MagpieSong · 04/02/2021 19:14

I don't think I'd be keen. I'm planning to do some writing/reading/maths with my ds (age 5) just to keep skills up and keep practicing basic sentences (we're not welsh-speaking, so more important to practice writing in it or it's 6 weeks of forgetting). He'll also have a new sibling to contend with. He's struggled with this lockdown and hasn't always enjoyed school, there've been anxieties and tricky moments, so he'll want a break. I don't feel an extra 4 weeks is beneficial really. I mean, they learn in the holidays too, just not always in the pen to paper way you do at school. However, I may feel differently if he was really struggling in lots of areas - especially if he was an age where I couldn't help in a subject.

MagpieSong · 04/02/2021 19:14

Plus, I'd feel really guilty as our teachers need a break and have been fab throughout.

TheyIsMyFamily · 04/02/2021 19:46

I wouldn't even think about saying yes to a request to do this by my Head teacher. I need a break. My kids need a break. None of us will be in school over the holiday periods.

Taikoo · 05/02/2021 04:33

Ofsted inspectors can prep and teach the classes.
They know it all anyway, clearly, so the summer workload should be a breeze for them.

namechange63524 · 05/02/2021 04:44

I think as an optional thing it's good. Mine are young and could read etc before started school, so much of the " learning" hasn't benefited them anyway. At this age it's just waiting for everyone to reach a level and socialising. If they were struggling, older and missed out on key learning/exam stuff, then I'd take this up like a shot if needed to.

It depends on the child, access to education/devices/key services during lockdown, the schools provision, capacity to learn online (many kids will have done better in online environment/many will have done worse).

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