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Recommendations - aggressive Piano playing neighbour and work from home

47 replies

Flowersbee · 19/01/2021 08:40

Hi all
We live in a block with tiny 2 bed flats. The neighbour above me was playing for 3-6 hours a day - usually 2-3 hours in daytime and again 2-3 hours between 5-8pm.

I spoke in a friendly way after a few weeks of them moving in and took a cake explaining I work from home and asking politely for him to use headphones or other suggestions. In that initial friendly chat, He refused but said he wouldn’t play during the day as I explained I use noise cancelling headphones for work and can still hear the piano. I am on calls with clients and a number have complained asking if I can turn down my radio but it also impacts my ability to concentrate on my job.
My neighbour reduced it down a few days then amped up again. When I went to speak to him and mentioned that he had agreed to not play in the day he shouted at me saying “I can play when I like and you can’t stop me.” Amongst many other rants. He and his family are new to the country and I said will he tone down if the council explain the rules around noise disturbance he said he doesn’t care about the council or rules as he knows they have to prove it with a noise device and they can’t (due to Covid the council are not entering homes - I didn’t know that until he was shouting). He was very aggressive and has left me feeling very fearful. My flat is worst impacted due to being below his but the neighbours above him have also complained. As I work from home during Covid (and now DD does schoolwork from home) I am concerned about my job as now as soon as the piano starts my concentration disappears (incl when I wear headphones).

I have asked my landlord for help and they have spoken to his agent who said he reduced his noise by half and placed a carpet beneath the piano plus cardboard boxes (from 5/6 hours to 3 hours a day) however this still does not make a difference. I suggested Max an hour a day during these times or using headphones and he obviously refused

It is always in the daytime as he has 2 young kids. I feel there is no chance for any peace as during the day I work until late and then the piano is played until my DD bedtime again, which she has complained keeps her awake. I am too terrified to approach the neighbour again after he became agggressive (with his wife standing next to him) and they have 2 young kids. I am a non conflict person in my personal life and now too afraid to speak to them again.
We are very quiet and considerate neighbours, get on with all the flats - for the first time I have started to dream of making a noise to wake their kids but I don’t want to live like that - I simply want to do my job and have an hour of peace in the evening with my child. For my work if I could work out of home I would however now my DD also has to be home as schools are closed. I have also asked my council however all their noise services are suspended and they cannot assist. I do maintain a log however as I cannot afford a lawyer and the council noise services are not working they have said there is nothing they can do.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Is my only choice to move? In the meantime any suggestions for managing the noise as am starting to worry about my mental health as am getting upset . I can’t walk around with noise cancelling headphones on the whole day - partly as amazingly I still hear the piano noise but then can’t hear my DD. There are no rooms immune to the noise including the bathroom as the flats are tiny 2 bedrooms.

I am also a single mum and worried if I lose my job due to the current impact on my work.

Please can you make any recommendations as to something I may be able to do to help.

OP posts:
Iwonder08 · 19/01/2021 09:05

Someone who plays piano for 4-6 hours every day must be a concert level musician.

FortunesFave · 19/01/2021 09:06

Why haven't you called the noise abatement team at your local council? You need to contact them and see for yourself how the rules are affecting things.

Iwonder08 · 19/01/2021 09:06

You mentioned he is new to this country, how is it relevant? Concert pianist immigrants are of course notoriously aggresiveHmm

OhNoIHaveToExercise · 19/01/2021 09:07

This sounds really tough OP but I can’t see what else you can do now other than to try and move.

FoxyTheFox · 19/01/2021 09:08

Keep a diary of every time the noise disturbed you - time it began, time it ended, which of your rooms you could hear it in, and the level of disturbance (e.g., couldn't properly hear the other end of a phone conversation) then go to the Noise Abatement team at your local council. Covid is no barrier to them installing listening devices as they're self-contained and portable. When I worked for the council it was a hardshell locked case with two wires coming out of the top and at the end of one wire was a microphone on a stand and at the end of the other was a button, when the noise started you would press the button to begin a 30 minute recording then press it again every 30 minutes until the noise stopped. That was 20 years ago so I'd guess they're even more portable and self-contained now.

Whoateallthestuffingballs · 19/01/2021 09:15

Don't take his word for it, contact the Council, they have a duty to investigate. Start taking a diary of every single time he plays.

bravotango · 19/01/2021 09:17

The way he has acted means (where I live anyway) you can contact the anti-social behaviour team - they are separate to the noise complaints dept. but often deal with people being aggressive when asked to keep the noise down. A letter from them has worked wonders with nightmare neighbours for me in the past.

QueenoftheAir · 19/01/2021 09:23

YANBU to worry about the noise, but you need to contact your Council.

YABU totally racist to mention that your neighbour is new to the country. How is that relevant?

Comefromaway · 19/01/2021 09:23

Unless his playing is massively amplified to the extent the walls are booming I can't see a problem. He's probably working from home too. He may be a professional musician or a music student.

RandomLondoner · 19/01/2021 09:24

You mentioned he is new to this country, how is it relevant?

The relevance is within the exact same sentence where she said it.

Flowersbee · 19/01/2021 09:35

Thanks for all the replies
I have followed up with my local councillor as well and pnot heard back yet.

@FoxyTheFox and @Iwonder08 - the council said they can’t enter homes and their services are suspended possibly until the end of the year. I do keep a log but don’t have the device.
I will chase the council again - even if they say they can’t help should I keep pushing them? Should I buy a noise device myself and measure it ?

I mentioned he is new in case different places have different rules (I have lived in London 20 plus years and also had to understand different neighbourhood rules compared to my home Country)

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 19/01/2021 09:38

@Iwonder08

You mentioned he is new to this country, how is it relevant? Concert pianist immigrants are of course notoriously aggresiveHmm
Because noise laws may be different where he's from?

Stop looking for racism round every corner

Oreservoir · 19/01/2021 09:38

Op obviously meant she thought neighbour may not know the rules about noise if he was a recent immigrant. So just all get off your high horses.
I live in France and certainly wouldn’t have known the rules regarding noise here.

Nanny0gg · 19/01/2021 09:39

@QueenoftheAir

YANBU to worry about the noise, but you need to contact your Council.

YABU totally racist to mention that your neighbour is new to the country. How is that relevant?

Because different places have different laws.

Obvious, no?

Comefromaway · 19/01/2021 09:40

It's highly unlikely that normal piano practice will be seen as noise nuisance in the daytime.

I haven't read the full judgment but the Carrabino court case in 2016 upheld a pianists right to practice for up to 5 hours a day.

DinosaurDiana · 19/01/2021 09:41

Complain to the owner again, but I’m afraid that I think you are ultimately going to have to move for your sanity.

FOJN · 19/01/2021 09:43

YABU totally racist to mention that your neighbour is new to the country.

There is no mention of the race of either party in the OP. What stereotypes are YOU applying to reach the conclusion that the OP is racist?

Comefromaway · 19/01/2021 09:43

Sorry wrong link. This is ISM's reporting of the case.

www.ism.org/news/celebrations-as-noise-complaint-appeals-against-ism-member-dropped

Dowser · 19/01/2021 09:45

Can’t believe the attitude of your council
The noise abatement persondoesn’t even have to come inside
They can hear it in the hall

We asked the council mouse man to call...and he came, that very day
Now we have no mice
👍

SeasonFinale · 19/01/2021 09:48

I voted YABU because there will be no recourse for against a person playing music at the times of the day you have mentioned as they are not unsocial hours.

GypsyLee · 19/01/2021 10:11

It's a difficult one.
You need to work, but so does he from the sounds of it.
Live music starts at 8.30am here and finishes at 9pm.
My dh and dd are both musicians and are both teaching/receiving music lessons throughout the day.
We live in a semi and have never had any problems. The neighbours are great and say they love a concert.

alienbeings · 19/01/2021 10:13

How do you know he has a keyboard and not a proper piano ?

TodgerStrunk · 19/01/2021 10:19

Strange that he's new to the country but immediately knows that the council won't come out because of Covid?

AcornAutumn · 19/01/2021 10:28

I would double check re the council

Do you know the other neighbours?

I would do a collective letter of complaint to his landlord. I know you've done it already but it hasn't fixed the problem.

Sorry to say, I know one professional musician and you can hear him playing halfway up the bloody street. So I think there may be crazy rules permitting noise. If you do move, I think you'd have to check the lease very carefully.

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