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Accident. Who's at fault

165 replies

Covidcovid · 18/01/2021 19:46

I witnessed this as a pedestrian.

Teenager on bike comes out of a side street moving at speed. A van is on the main road coming in the same direction as bike. Behind the bike. Van is doing at least 30mph. Road in opposite direction is clear but van only pulls out about 3ft while going round cyclist and doesn't slow even though he could have moved much further out.

There's a small tesco on the right and cyclist without looking veers to the right to go to tesco. Van was still some point behind him and braked/swerved.

Can ended up on the pavement opposite side of the road. Nearly hit 2 pedestrian and took the kid on the bike out at the same time.

Obviously the kid should have looked but I feel with more thought to hazard perception, going slower and wider this could have been avoided. Driver said to me when I told him he was going too fast that he was only doing 30.

Well don't do 30mph and pass a cyclist so near. Even before the kid veered to the right I was watching and thinking the van driver was driving like an idiot. I wouldn't have overtaken until past the tesco turn.

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ghostyslovesheets · 18/01/2021 19:48

no idea I can't make head nor tail of it - sorry

Twillow · 18/01/2021 19:49

Don't understand who ended up on the pavement?
If the cyclist veered right without indicating or looking sounds like it was at fault.

ghostyslovesheets · 18/01/2021 19:50

right - read it 3 times - I think both are at fault - van driver obviously being a twat but cyclist should have slowed and indicated - also checked before turning into the shop

not sure about the can?

Covidcovid · 18/01/2021 19:51

Sorry the van ended up on the pavement the other side of the road.

So cyclist moved right without looking but van driver was racing up behind him too fast and close. So didn't have time to stop. Van skidded across the road, onto the pavement and ran over the teenager on the bike.

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ghostyslovesheets · 18/01/2021 19:51

yeah actually Twillow has a point - the cyclist is more at fault

Serin · 18/01/2021 19:51

Does anyone have dash cam footage that you can ask to see? Or is there a camera at the Tesco entrance?

Covidcovid · 18/01/2021 19:51

Can is a typo. Meant to say van.

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lljkk · 18/01/2021 19:52

Sounds like cyclist was at fault for not looking to see if could safely make that maneuver.

Others could have done things to prevent the accident or reduce the severity of it, but cyclist is main wrong doer as I understand the story.

Mayvis · 18/01/2021 19:52

Did the cyclist check behind and indicate their intention to turn right into the Tesco turning?

toomuchfaster · 18/01/2021 19:52

Cyclist was wrong to pull across but van ultimately responsible as should have stopped by being the one behind. Compare with if van following a car: van would be expected to stop and not rear end car.

lljkk · 18/01/2021 19:52

ps: and as a cyclist, I'd be on to watching if the impatient van was about to make my planned maneuver unsafe. It's a road/street sense/experience thing.

Covidcovid · 18/01/2021 19:53

I'm just so glad the kid was OK. I ran round the van expecting him to be dead.

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Tohaveandtohold · 18/01/2021 19:53

Sounds like the cyclist was at fault for going right without indicating or looking around him.
Was the road less than a 30mph road?

DaysAreGettingLongerNow · 18/01/2021 19:53

It’s hard to understand... the cyclist should have looked and indicated but the van should only overtake when it’s safe to do so. It clearly wasn’t safe. You need to be prepared to respond to unpredictable events when you’re driving.

june2007 · 18/01/2021 19:54

Did cyclist signal?

OrigamiOwl · 18/01/2021 19:54

Not 100% sure I've deciphered this right... But it sounds like the cyclist is in the wrong as he pulled out in front of the driver without looking?

Covidcovid · 18/01/2021 19:54

I do feel sorry for the driver. The teenager didn't look, didn't indicate. But I also think drivers need to be more careful around vulnerable road users, especially children.

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Coulddowithanap · 18/01/2021 19:54

So bike comes off side road onto main road into the path of a van travelling along on the main road?

Bike is at fault then surely. Also they just turned right in front of the van towards the shop. Wonder if they were wearing headphones and so didn't hear the van and cycling along in a world of their own.

Covidcovid · 18/01/2021 19:55

30mph Road,

Was a young teenager, 13yo. In school uniform. I assume a key worker child.

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Schmoana · 18/01/2021 19:56

The cyclist should have been sure it was safe to pull out - both when turning on to the road and when pulling out. So I would say cyclist officially at fault. But any motorist should take extra care around young cyclists this could have been avoided with a bit of hazard perception on the van drivers part.

Doingitaloneandproud · 18/01/2021 19:57

Cyclist as he should have looked and indicated, if he had then he'd have seen the van and not been hit.

Covidcovid · 18/01/2021 19:57

Kid was very apologetic to the driver. Driver just annoyed me a bit by ranting at the kid and unable to see that maybe if he'd been more cautious it wouldn't have happened.

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LochJessMonster · 18/01/2021 19:58

Well hopefully the cyclist will remember to look and indicate next time

EnjoyingTheSilence · 18/01/2021 19:59

Cyclist should have looked and should have indicated. He’s very lucky he wasn’t more hurt.

Covidcovid · 18/01/2021 19:59

Yeah, I'm sure they've learnt a lesson.

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