Who is in the wrong?

[Astroscoach]

I've named changed for this. Writing here as I need to take the emotion out if the situation.

Car A waiting at a junction to turn right, protruding over the give way lines.
Car B driving on main road, slows to see car A at the junction. Recognises that if car A had no where to go if they were to let them out due to traffic on the other side of the road so continues on driving around car A. Car A proceeds to turn right and hits the side of car B.

I'm not too sure I've explained it clearly but can clarify if you need it.

What @Winterwoollies said which is why I was taught not to flash other drivers during driving lessons.

Was car A coming out of a road on your right or your left?

Wrong to pull out if there's oncoming traffic. People can flash as much as they like to let someone out, but it's that person's responsibility to decide if it's safe. If not, ignore the flashing lights.

Car A sounds like a London driver.

From how you have described it OP car A is in the wrong. You were on main road driving along therefore you have right of way. I hope you are ok? As if there isn't enough to be dealing with right now.

Car A, and the flashing is irrelevant.

People are cheeky fuckers, though, and a lot of them will say whatever they think they can get away with in the hope you'll give up going after them for insurance money.

Car B could have had a sign up that said ‘Car A pull out in front of me’ but if they had then continued driving and Car A had hit Car B, Car A would still be in the wrong.

It’s up to Car A to make sure it is completely safe to pull out.

Car a. Flashing is irrelevant.

My driving instructor said never to flash. You don't know if it's a signal for you, what jt means, if it's an accidental nudge of the lights, and you may not be able to see if there's anything coming the other way.

But surely this is an insurance job? They'll make short shrift of this.

Car À.

I can see why car B would have taken car A slowly down as a sign they could move on. BUT car A should have been able to evaluate car B speed and realise it wasn’t going to work. They should also have been able to stop as soon as it was obvious car A was carrying on.

@Astroscoach, by any chance, is car B giving some grief and telling you you are at fault?

Car A is in the wrong.

I've been Car A and I pulled out because Car B was indicating left (i.e. into the road I was pulling out of). In the split second between me re-checking my left and pulling out, Car B had changed their mind and carried on. I was still wrong.

In your case Car A has no leg to stand on by trying to rely someone flashing them. Everyone knows that.

You slowing down was the equivalent of my Car B indicating - unhelpful - but Car A is still wrong.

So don't worry

Agree A is wrong and being flashed is irrelevant. I’d let them run with that one though because if that’s what they tell their insurance company then it will make it nice and easy for them to know their client was at fault, and get your claim sorted quickly.

I hope you are ok, it’s horrible being in a crash.

Car A but your insurance will still go up any way. The whole insurance industry is one big con. It's no wonder so many people drive without it.

I work in car insurance. In this instance Car A would be at fault. Also further to PP your insurance may go up, even with a non fault claim, but you can claim that back from the insurance company at fault (if you can be arsed).

Car a and it’s irrelevant if someone flashed. Him to go, he has to make sure both sides are clear B has right of way

Car A mainly but car b may be partly liable unless they were completely still.

(I’m a solicitor and dealt with car accidents many moons ago).

Car A is adamant that someone on the other side flashed him to go
Tough shit. Even if you'd flashed your headlights, it would still be their fault. Flashing your headlights doesn't give someone right of way, they still have to check the road is clear. The road wasn't clear, obviously Car B, who had right of way, was in the way.

I bloody hate it when people pull over the give way line to try to force cars to stop for them, I slow and go round, even if I would have let them go otherwise.

@Changeythenamey car B was never completely still.

@Changeythenamey

Car A mainly but car b may be partly liable unless they were completely still.

(I’m a solicitor and dealt with car accidents many moons ago).

Why would car B be still if they were driving along a main road?

Car A, unless B slowed so much that A reasonably thought they were letting him out.

[quote Astroscoach]@MaskingForIt yes I am car B. I slowed because he was over the line and I used that time to assess the situation. If I was to stop to let car A out then he would gave caused a build up of traffic until the other side was clear or someone let him out. Car A is adamant that someone on the other side flashed him to go.[/quote]
You're not obliged to let him out on your side even is some one did flash him though.

Car A is wrong.

Were you car A or B?

Thanks for all your replies I've been in bits over this since it happened. It is going through the insurance but I can't stop going over what happened. He was extremely verbally aggressive and threatening when I asked to exchange details and the whole thing has left me shaken. I also had my 2DC in the back but luckily no one was hurt.

@Changeythenamey

Car A mainly but car b may be partly liable unless they were completely still.

(I’m a solicitor and dealt with car accidents many moons ago).

How is car b liable? they were driving along the main road and didn't flash the driver, car a pulled out and hit the side of car b. Surely a solicitor would know this 🤔🤔

@Arobase

Car A, unless B slowed so much that A reasonably thought they were letting him out.

It was a 40 area and I slowed to about 30.

What an arsehole, clearly trying to intimidate a lone woman with two children because he knows damn well it was his fault!