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To just ask you all to either wear some proper wellies and walk on the footpath, or stick to the sodding pavements

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flamingflamingos · 17/01/2021 22:44

This is my field. It's winter wheat - it's been ploughed and pressed and drilled and rolled and just as it's starting to grow into what will be harvested for flour to produce bread, the general public have trampled it into the ground.

I understand the need to get outside, absolutely I support this country's network of footpaths - we have 6km of footpaths on this farm which are maintained so that everyone can enjoy the countryside.

But this is taking the piss. If you don't want to walk in the mud, don't walk in the countryside in January. Please, stop this. We are all accountable for how we behave.

To just ask you all to either wear some proper wellies and walk on the footpath, or stick to the sodding pavements
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Toffeefee23 · 23/01/2021 16:36

YANBU

I’m (semi) rural & see so many “townies” who have come for a country walk in their bright white trainers....

we’ve also had lots of cars parked blocking the entrance to the local bridleway so not enough space for horses to pass by, animals dying after being fed random food by strangers, a horse attacked by an out of control dog, not to mention the amount of litter, gates left open.

I’ve been a countryside user for years and it was not like this before Covid

flamingflamingos · 23/01/2021 16:49

@TheFaithfulBorderBinliner I'm not too concerned about this - I'm a solicitor specialising in agricultural law so I'm fairly well versed in access legislation.

I would urge every landowner who has not completed a section 31.6 deposit on public access to do one immediately though, because it will get worse.

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peppermintteadrinker · 23/01/2021 18:17

Yeah @DdraigGoch the coffee cup is just weird. Seriously nowhere near by to have picnics. No benches. No Costa. Someone must have bought it. Driven 2 miles. Parked. Walked for at least 10 minutes and wandered across the centre of the field. Confused

MsTSwift · 23/01/2021 18:28

Just read Hancock said they may close the boarders so no foreign holidays. Nightmare. Last summer we drove to the alps to avoid the crowds here was bliss

MsTSwift · 23/01/2021 18:30

This is Why I believe no one should have more than 2 children but I get shouted down as being terribly unreasonable and awful! But here we are. Super crowded.

MsTSwift · 23/01/2021 18:31

Sorry borders.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/01/2021 20:38

In the UK, the population density is an average 259 people per square kilometre (671 people per square mile), and 83.4% of that population is urban, with vast tracts of land in the Highlands and Islands and such areas having maybe 0.3 people per square mile or fewer.

If the urban dwellers are not allowed to do to parks, leisure centres, shopping centres and malls, or gyms in town, they are likely to want to get their exercise in the country.

And they know the square root of bugger all about the countryside or farming even if they listen to The Archers! Why would they? They are ignorant of the rules there, just as someone who has never lived in a place with cars would have no idea how to cross a road in town safely. But you might think that even people whose only experience of grass is in the local park and playing field might have noticed that if lots and lots of people all tromp in the same place, you end up with mud instead of grass, because that happens in town just as much as in the country look at the goal-mouths of the football pitches.

When people poach the ground beside a footpath, it's likely that each one person who does it has no idea what damage is being done: it's the same as that old ad that said "my one little bit of litter won't do any harm" with a picture of a huge pile of rubbish.

And here's a point brought on by walking attempting to walk on a PRoW about six hundred yards from my door. This runs along the edge of a field, and the farmer has done as people here advocate and fenced it off: about six foot wide, I suppose, with fences made using wooden posts and barbed wire. The whole path is a sea of mud from side to side and end to end, and now not only does the farmer not have the use of some of the land, walkers haven't got the use of the path because it is frankly dangerous and impassible. I expect it will be ok by about June.

Last time I tried to walk along the Wayland's Smithy section of the Ridgeway in winter (long before Covid: this was just normal wear-and-tear) much of it was an impassible bog too, with occasional small areas of muddy grass. And that's yards and yards wide in places.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/01/2021 20:39

"go to parks", that ought to be.

jacks11 · 23/01/2021 21:33

@CrotchBurn

And you are exactly the sort of entitled, ignorant person who would be best to stay away from anything other than tarmac paths in your park or similar. If YOU don’t know the rules and countryside codes it is YOUR job to find out. The countryside should not be littered with signs explaining every last little detail of how to behave. People should find out before venturing into the countryside. Farms and estates are not play parks, they are places of work. They are peoples homes. Woodlands, moorlands, coastland etc are a precious resource, but are fragile environments which are easily damaged and it takes a long time and hard work to repair- sometimes once lost, they are lost forever. They should be respected.

We have a public right of way running along one field. My responsibilities are to keep it clear and unobstructed- which we do. It is not my role to make the path mud-free. There are signs, not ours (the green footpath signs) but they aren’t every few metres. The path is really very obvious though. But every year, and this more than most, we have people traipsing into the farmyard, into my garden, into the machinery shed, into the lambing pens and cattle sheds and into the stables. And horses fields. Some are actually stupid enough to put their small children into the pens with ewes and lambs. And on more than one occasion I’ve caught people in the fields with the horses trying to feed or otherwise mess around with them. These sorts of behaviours are any combination of stupid, dangerous, thoughtless and downright rude. Why on earth should I have to have signs instructing people not to do this? I do not walk into random people gardens when I go into town to go shopping. I don’t sit on their cars, or try to open the doors to plonk my children in then for photo opportunities. I don’t open their back door so that I can stroke their dog. Or feed it. Or feed lots of random children sweets, crisps and fizzy drinks “because they like them and there is no sign saying NOT to”. So then, why do people do the equivalent to us?

Fences are expensive, they limit field use and are not necessary. They also have to be maintained. Do we really want the edge of every field fenced off, just in case some ignoramous decides to trample all over the crops? I don’t.

Besides, in our experience, the public are very happy to ignore signs (some quite happy to remove them) and merrily damage fencing and property. Unless you make it painful- I.e. electric fencing. But then they come and complain about it. Despite the warning signs that electric fencing is in place. Which I should not need because you should not be tramping anywhere and everywhere you fancy.

I for one will be glad once lockdown is over for many reasons. A big one is that fewer people will be causing so much damage to the countryside that they supposedly “love” and “so enjoy exploring”.

Another example would be the machairs, mainly found in the islands and north/northwest coast. They are fairly unique environments to these areas and home to endangered species of plants and animals. During last lockdown many were very badly damaged- a particular problem was campers/campervans using them. Even when asked not to. Police patrols had to be instigated. Not to mention that nobody should have been holidaying in these rural places during lockdown. It is estimated that some will take over a decade to recover. I know some communities are trying to work out how on earth they do a better job of protecting them this year, just in case people can’t jet off to Spain etc, and they are inundated again.

Yet another example is an ancient woodland locally. Has a huge amount of bluebells and some rare plant species. There are some very obvious and perfectly adequate paths through the woods. They can indeed get muddy. Especially in winter. But as it’s in Scotland, it’s exactly what you’d expect. If you haven’t considered that when setting out to walk through the countryside in January (especially if there has been quite a lot of rain recently), then that’s entirely your stupidity to blame. There are some areas fenced off to protect some particularly vulnerable areas. Of which there multiple maps and explanations in the very well maintained car park. Along with instructions not to stray off the paths because it damages the bluebells and other rare flora, which takes years to recover from damage.

Over lockdown, there were huge numbers of people out in the wood. For some reason, many seemed incapable of parking in the car park. Instead, pulling off the (single track) road and into verges or, in some cases, into passing places or the edge of the wood. Or blocking road ends. In the process damaging verges, blocking roads. The damage to verges also damaged some of the land drains, causing problems with surface water on the road abd localised issues with water in land on the other side of the road (which had to be fixed, at a busy time in the farming calendar- some was actually councils responsibility to fix, but they were not going to be doing so due to lockdown). I presume that’s also ok because, you know, there aren’t specific signs saying not to park blocking roads/passing places etc?

The litter was terrible, barbecues, broken bottles and cans- you name it, it was there. The screaming children disturbing the wildlife. Many children were also allowed, if not encouraged, to rampage off the paths and trampling and picking the bluebells etc. Just so mummy could get a lovely photo of the kids in the flowers. But hey- the signs telling them to do that we’re not every few metres- so that’s not their fault. Some people were digging plants up to take home (which is actually illegal). The fences around the vulnerable area were damaged by people climbing them, trying to get into the protected areas. The woodland trust wardens were so angry and upset with all the damage caused. I was speaking to one recently who said that the amount of abuse, including a few cases of physical assault, that they have received for asking people to behave themselves is astounding. I understand that a lot of organisations like woodland trust, natural heritage etc are getting together to look at this issue.

Xenia · 23/01/2021 21:56

Litter is terrible.
I have been driving at the speed limit locally including on the private road (which is 20mph) . Usually go much slower but I want to make a point to the trespassers (most of this private estate - suburbs not countryside is private roads).

Mind you since I was 5 I have always thought hell is other people. Even when I bought a 20 acre island in the Pacific it was people, fishermen landing etc which meant I sold it after 10 years - even on my own island i was constantly invaded even when my boatman let me borrow his gun.

KathleenTurnerOverdrive · 24/01/2021 01:19

I have been driving at the speed limit locally including on the private road

You live on a private road? Funny, I don't think you've mentioned that before.

Furries · 24/01/2021 01:58

@KathleenTurnerOverdrive - 😂

Xenia · 24/01/2021 07:29

It is a thread about footpaths. The private road on which I live has a massive issue for residents of vast numbers of people even after dark and before dark walking up it much many than before March. I am not involved in some kindo f showing off thing. In fact at the top of our road a very short private road of about 10 houses put a gate at each end and you cannot now walk through that at all although it presumably makes van deliveries hard and I don't think we could do it on our estate which is bigger and more complex.

Redrivershore · 24/01/2021 08:17

@KathleenTurnerOverdrive

I have been driving at the speed limit locally including on the private road

You live on a private road? Funny, I don't think you've mentioned that before.

TBF @Xenia has mentioned this on many posts, mainly to do with people taking their daily exercise along it
YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/01/2021 08:33

I had my own private island once. My friends and I used to row over to it. You would not believe the riff-raff that used to cause trouble though! Smugglers, thieves, kidnappers and some really dodgy characters who tried to steal my Dad's groundbreaking scientific work.

Better off without private islands in my view!

Maireas · 24/01/2021 09:11

@YetAnotherSpartacus - at least you had friends. You could picnic the whole summer long!

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/01/2021 09:15

The summers were longer and hotter then too! And Mummy would let us camp on the Island sometimes because she knew that my dog would look after us and that way we didn't disturb my father in his important scientific work for the government.

Did I mention that my Island had a ruined castle? So I had my own castle too!

Furries · 24/01/2021 10:21

@YetAnotherSpartacus 🤣.

I’m quite amazed at the ability to be able segue from public rights of way in the UK to islands in the Pacific with pesky fishermen landing.

KathleenTurnerOverdrive · 24/01/2021 10:35

*I am not involved in some kindo f showing off thing. In fact at the top of our road a very short private road

And yet you mention it's a private road a further twice when it has zero relevance. Plus, driving faster than you usually would, especially with the weather as it is 'to teach them a lesson' is a complete dick move.

SimonJT · 24/01/2021 10:38

I don’t know why private roads are considered special.

Lots of new builds are on private roads, people who think private roads are in anyway special or unusual must live extremely sheltered lives. My mates cheap crappy Barrett new build (her words) is on a private road.

singsingbluesilver · 24/01/2021 10:44

Private roads are an absolute pain in the neck to live on. We used to - and it was in a right state because no one would take responsibility for repairing it. I made sure when we moved house not to end up on one again.

In terms of access - near to where I live there are a few houses on a private road - that is also an access to route to some National Trust land. they think that they have the right to block access, and have put up signs. They don't. And locals who have been using the path for decades continue to walk to the NT site via that access road. I am especially cross with these residents as it is the route to one of the few accessible walking paths at the moment, due to the rain and the mud on the other paths. they are protecting their own little enclave without a care for anyone else.

Honeyroar · 24/01/2021 10:45

@flamingflamingos what is a 3.1 deposit on public access please, and how would l go about doing one?

GreenlandTheMovie · 24/01/2021 11:56

How on earth would you access your house other than on a private road, unless you lived in a street, housing estate or right next to the road?

And why on earth would you drive faster on it to "teach people a lesson"? Wouldn't you be embarrassed? I agree about the rubbish, but I tend to be more pro-active and have occasionally traced the origin of the rubbish (bag containing letters dumped) or after people who have dropped rubbish. But keep it polite - "I saw you dropping this and thought you might like it back".

I have neighbours who are new to being landowners. They're a bit like this too. Aside from that, I just think all the walkers we get around this way are tremendously polite and decent (touch wood!).

I honestly don't know what the solution is. I went to university in another country for a while and theres more of a recognition for public spaces and tracks actually going places with that sort of prepared surface that is not tarmac. But they do get maintained out of public funds and general taxation. Not all countries are like this. I think the UK has such a high population density that it probably should be supported by public funds, but its unlikely to happen.

Stoptherideiwannagetoff · 24/01/2021 12:47

I'm sat here watching a family actively encouraging their young children and dogs to run all over a farmers crop. You can't say anything or you get a mouthful of abuse at best (been there, done that). You can't educate stupid unfortunately.

Xenia · 24/01/2021 13:54

If you quote me please use my words. I did not write "teach people a lesson". My sons are constantly complaining I drive far too slowly on all roads. We are talking about trespassers here and I am very careful of the people, smile at them all the time and clean up their dog poo, drugs stuff, gloves and all sorts. Sadly around here nothing is usually dropped with addresses or names on although when I was emptying the estate bins before we removed them all 2 years ago I did once find a bin full of photocopies of passports and that kind of thing - I don't know why the person did not just shred it at home. Obviously I made sure it was confidentially disposed of.

We had to go out to do a massive cleaning exercise today but I turned round on the way as the roads were so difficult. however the hills were too steep to drive home so we had to leave the car and walk.

And yes I agree with those above saying there are negatives to private roads (particularly ours which are not gated - I have never said they were anything special)

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