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To just ask you all to either wear some proper wellies and walk on the footpath, or stick to the sodding pavements

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flamingflamingos · 17/01/2021 22:44

This is my field. It's winter wheat - it's been ploughed and pressed and drilled and rolled and just as it's starting to grow into what will be harvested for flour to produce bread, the general public have trampled it into the ground.

I understand the need to get outside, absolutely I support this country's network of footpaths - we have 6km of footpaths on this farm which are maintained so that everyone can enjoy the countryside.

But this is taking the piss. If you don't want to walk in the mud, don't walk in the countryside in January. Please, stop this. We are all accountable for how we behave.

To just ask you all to either wear some proper wellies and walk on the footpath, or stick to the sodding pavements
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Maireas · 21/01/2021 19:02

@AquaFaba - I'd be tempted to go back and put spikes in it Grin Grin

blackheartsgirl · 21/01/2021 20:15

Thats awful Aqua and so frustrating for you.

Really does give us genuine walkers a bad name.

Maireas I know you were joking but really?
Sad thing is I'm sure some landowners would be tempted to do this 😕

nonevernotever · 21/01/2021 21:01

And we get just as many arseholes in Scotland, despite the right of responsible access (note NOT a right to roam despite what the papers call it). A farming friend lost one of her best ewes recently because someone insisted on feeding her despite having been previously warned. When I was a horse owner I frequently found people climbing the wall and the electric fencing to get into the field so they could just feed the horses/pet the horses/put their kids up for a ride. And were completely astonished when I pointed out the dangers to them as well as the horses. I think a certain percentage just hear "right of access" and don't absorb any of the responsibilities (most of which boil down to learn about your surroundings and don't be a dick) that go with the rights.

backinthebox · 22/01/2021 00:07

@Lovely1a2b3c

Can you put a very long fence up? might help?
Current approximate rates for agricultural fencing are about £15 per metre. OP has 6km of footpaths on her farm. If she fences them on each side so walkers can't stray left or right of track, that is 12km of fencing - 12000m at £15 a metre is £180000. Why should she do this because some people are ignorant?
Maireas · 22/01/2021 07:14

@blackheartsgirl, you're right, it was a joke.
Just reflecting some frustration on here.
There doesn't seem to be a solution, as huge numbers are now walking where few did before. I live in a town, but on the edge of a National Park, and the impact has been immense. It's fantastic to see so many more people enjoying the countryside, but it is a problem if farmers are having serious issues.

Xenia · 22/01/2021 07:57

There may be some grounds to block some footpaths so people are not injured as a safety measure.

midgebabe · 22/01/2021 08:13

Blocking footpaths is never a good idea. Pits more people against farmers and landowners. Raises the tensions

GreenlandTheMovie · 22/01/2021 11:38

@Xenia

There may be some grounds to block some footpaths so people are not injured as a safety measure.
Doesn't seem a great idea as its likely that people would simply go round the blockage and possibly injure themselves as a result. So to meet the standards of absolving the landowner from liability for possible negligence, the signage would have to be exemplary. And not fall down or be removed, possibly checked on a daily basis or even more frequently. And even then, a court might decide that it was more reasonable to offer a properly signposted, safe alternative route around the hazard.

Perhaps you have researched the case law though on blocking public rights of way and there is precedent to support this, although who knows whether it will apply in the current circumstances where people literally have no option other than to exercise locally.

Xenia · 22/01/2021 11:47

This might be a route for some - just move it to somewhere less disrupting and safer for the walkers perhaps.

"Creating, closing, upgrading, downgrading or re-routing public rights of way

Highway authorities have certain powers to make changes to the public right of way networks in their area.

You can agree to create a new public right of way or apply to your local authority to make an order extinguishing, diverting, upgrading or downgrading a footpath, bridleway or restricted byway in some circumstances. You can get more information from the rights of way section of the highway authority.

See more details about making changes to the legal status of public rights of way."
www.gov.uk/guidance/public-rights-of-way-landowner-responsibilities#spraying-on-land-crossed-by-a-public-right-of-way

Echo08 · 22/01/2021 13:50

That is awful and so disrespectful .I was born in the countryside and still live here and we were brought up to respect the farmers property. They work hard all year round and don't need idiots wrecking the crops .

countrygirl99 · 22/01/2021 14:56

@xenia it's along and expensive process to close or divert a right of way.

OwlWearingGlasses · 22/01/2021 15:01

Along the same lines.
It took me ages to get to my house today as two idiots had parked in the passing spaces on our narrow country lane as the car park was full. Caused havoc.

Do not park in passing spaces. They are not lay-bys!

backinthebox · 22/01/2021 19:51

@GreenlandTheMovie
‘Perhaps you have researched the case law though on blocking public rights of way and there is precedent to support this’

It is certainly possible to have a temporary closure order put on rights of way if the conditions and usage are detrimental to the right of way and closing it will solve this. The Byway Open To All Traffic I live on has been closed to all traffic for the last 2 winters and is currently closed to motorised vehicles. Barriers have been placed across it with notices on it. It’s an action of last resort, but if a right of way is being abused and damaged it is certainly possible to shut it till conditions improve.

flamingflamingos · 22/01/2021 20:37

I would NEVER block a PROW. As much as they are a thorn in my side at the moment, I understand and appreciate the importance of people having access to the countryside and some people's selfishness and fecklessness will not spoil it for everyone.

The answer is of course to educate people, because this thread is evidence that the majority who don't know, don't mean to cause harm.

We've had more rain since I started this thread, and the situation is worse than ever. I'm sad and angry that people can be such arseholes to property they don't own. But I'll keep buggering on and I'll keep trying. The parish council have put something on their social media and they will put something on their pamphlet which is going out next week.

Annoyingly, quite a few of our footpaths originated as links from the village to the church and to the farm, so people could come to work and people could worship. Therefore a lot of them aren't circular. But the people of 2021 can't comprehend that a footpath would exist not to connect to a circular route for their enjoyment. So along with the mud we have to deal with more general fence climbing and trespass.

Anyway, thanks to all the very very many of you on this thread who have posted in support and sorry for the very many of you who are going through similar. It's shit, but there is always Friday night wine. 🍷

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TheFaithfulBorderBinliner · 22/01/2021 21:21

Sorry @flamingflamingos but it's going to get worse. The ramblers association and a Horse Riding Rights group are trawling through literally centuries worth of maps looking for old church paths. Originally in place for just a few people, once a week to go to church they will insist on their right of access 24hours a day seven days a week. We are dreading it. Anything public business like - farms, houses, chapels, churches, blacksmiths, mills will be vulnerable to the horse riders claiming access to your front door.

They are righteous and well funded, it's going to be very upsetting. We'd like to see all that effort put into the future - proper cycle paths where they would be used. Improving major footpath routes, ensuring new build areas have sensible active travel provision but no, they are chasing down every last 18th century church path.

Msfoxy17 · 22/01/2021 21:35

One of the many depressing and unpleasant things about this Covid shitshow has been seeing the awful way people treat our countryside, one of the worst things being the amount of litter.
Oh I'll drive out for a nice walk in the countryside with my Costa coffee and just dump it in a nice piece of woodland..
. I'm afraid I don't rejoice in 1000s more people trampling around not respecting their environment...
Good luck OP!

midgebabe · 22/01/2021 21:36

Walking rights of way is not a problem.

People not waking the rights of way but using them as excuses to cause damage is the problem

If there were more routes, it could spread the load and reduce damage

Scrowy · 23/01/2021 09:41

@midgebabe

Walking rights of way is not a problem.

People not waking the rights of way but using them as excuses to cause damage is the problem

If there were more routes, it could spread the load and reduce damage

I had a long thread a couple of years ago about similar issues.

One of the main problems we have is a wood on our farm. Its a long narrow wood with a footpath right through the middle at the narrowest part. It's a short path no more than 500m and it goes nowhere. It literally goes to the wood wall and stops, there used be a building there that it served and now there isn't.

We have miles and miles of footpaths on our farm that are brilliant circular routes, we also have a major 'national' footpath that many of these routes also connect to. Despite this most people still choose to use this short footpath in our wood that goes nowhere.

At any given time of day we can go past the wood and there are people in there, at this time of year it's mostly dog walkers, the wood has very secure boundaries and it seems to have attracted a certain type of dog owner. They are rarely anywhere near the footpath and never have dogs on leads.

People have also come in and made dens, put up rope swings, nailed bird boxes up and someone has hung squirrel feeders throughout the wood. In autumn people come and pick all the berries. In winter people come with massive carrier bags to pick up pine ones, holly, take fir cuttings. We regularly see people taking 'firewood'. All of this is basically trespass , often theft and in the case of stuff nailed to trees, criminal damage.

We don't want to be the fun police so we generally don't get arsey about this stuff but people never ask. Ever. The local community seem to see it as 'their' wood and regularly complain on facebook when we put cattle in.

If they did ask we would tell them that we don't want the squirrels encouraging because they eat little birds eggs. We don't want them to take the berries because we want them leaving for the birds. We don't want rope swings/ dens etc not because we are mean but because we put native cattle in the wood throughout the year to graze it off for conservation purposes and children and cattle don't mix. The dog walkers would also be told that we don't want dog crap everywhere because it is a risk to the cattle and their dogs are disturbing the wildlife in the wood, and ... dogs and cattle don't mix.

It's a working environment, but also an environment we are trying to actively manage for conservation purposes and every person that goes in and goes off the footpath and let's dogs run around sets that back a little more.

The problem isn't a lack of paths it's generations of people who have grown up to believe they have absolute right to go wherever they please do whatever they please and take anything they want from the countryside.

derxa · 23/01/2021 11:49

Scrowy Sad

peppermintteadrinker · 23/01/2021 13:15

@Msfoxy17

One of the many depressing and unpleasant things about this Covid shitshow has been seeing the awful way people treat our countryside, one of the worst things being the amount of litter. Oh I'll drive out for a nice walk in the countryside with my Costa coffee and just dump it in a nice piece of woodland.. . I'm afraid I don't rejoice in 1000s more people trampling around not respecting their environment... Good luck OP!
Yep. Yesterday, I stepped aside at corner of field for woman and her partner and her 2 large dogs to pass. She greeted me with a "he won't hurt you". Told her I wasn't worried about her dog,I was just trying to distance. She replied" oh bless". She then came too close anyway and I stepped further aside but let her know I was also trying to avoid standing on the crop. "oh it's not crops!". I told her it was and she then looked a bit sheepish. Further up big fresh holes where dogs had been digging them up ,

And (not blaming them as could've been anyone) a Costa cup in middle of field. I mean,how? We're at least 2 miles from nearest one.

I don't get the people who now take coffee on walks. So weird.

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2021 13:40

@peppermintteadrinker Derbyshire Police are never there when you need them!

peppermintteadrinker · 23/01/2021 15:31

Ha! @DdraigGoch not sure that's quite what we need. I don't think she was intentionally doing wrong thing...it's more low level ignorance of what's ok x by large numbers of people.

It's painful.

m00Ma · 23/01/2021 15:58

I was brought up in the countryside, have lived in a city for 30 years, and encounter the same ignorant/entitled attitude across urban & rural locations. People are selfish. It HAS got worse over the decades, as our country has morphed into a ''service' based economy. Every where is a 'destination ' now, and few give a toss about the land, other humans, or other species we share the planet with. My daughter is 23 & lockdown has tipped her over from sceptical to downright cynical. We live by a large city park & people can't even behave themselves here. Droves driving to plough up the fields, litter like never before, and loaves and loaves of vile cheap bread - and the plastic bags -sickening the lake fowl.
Fenced off fields make me sad, but the wilful abuse of the land necessitates extreme measures.
Why is common courtesy, common sense, and a little prior research, something that needs to be taught with tedious repetition?
OP, you have my sympathy.

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2021 16:03

@peppermintteadrinker

Ha! *@DdraigGoch* not sure that's quite what we need. I don't think she was intentionally doing wrong thing...it's more low level ignorance of what's ok x by large numbers of people.

It's painful.

I was thinking of the coffee cup - didn't Derbyshire claim that coffees constituted a picnic? Whoever left that coffee cup almost certainly intended to leave it there. Yes, you might occasionally drop one but most littering isn't by accident.
Xenia · 23/01/2021 16:30

We also have 16m more people in the UK than when I was born which is 16m too much for me, and yes ,those 16m include my children so I am as much to blame as anyone. Back in the suburbs I have never seen our private road so busy as today. My neighbour was going by as I came back in and he was saying they have never see it like this even back in the 1970s. There is not much we can do as fencing it all off would not work given we need to come in and out. My son used to go to a school on the only surviving toll road in London where the school hired a man to sit there twice a day just to collect money for people to go over the road but I don't think we will be starting that either.

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