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Aibu to question whether my child should go to her dad

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Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 15:10

Really in need of advice from ppl in a similar experience

Have a ten year old DD. It’s just me at home with her.

For as long as I can remember she never wants to see her dad, for no other reason than she misses me and that they are a bit stricter than me. It causes stress sometimes I’m drained as I’m trying to manage him who obviously wants to see his dd as much as possible and then her who struggles being away from me. Iv always thought it’s just cos she is used to a different way here ie if she is upset she can get in my bed, I’m more cuddly etc there’s more rules there but nothing too bad. She has come home and said the odd thing iv raised my eye brows about but and if I’m honest she struggles to say no to them
Or assert herself.

She came out upset today her younger sister called her fattie is explained it’s not great but siblings do this and she should either tell her dad, tell her sister not to or laugh it off depending how she feels about it. We got talking and she told me that her dad sometimes can use physical force with the children not actual hitting but a smack on the bum. Agin we don’t have this at home I’m dead against it but I explained it’s not out the norm but she is too old for that he has never and would never with her. She agreed but then told me that when she was 4 she had an accident in the night and got scared so tried to clea. It herself (poo) and then it got everywhere and she was crying so they came in. She said his wife was so angry and told her off she was repeating it as though it was yesterday. I feel like crying for her and it’s made me feel so sad. There way is a lot different to mine and I’m trying to be mindful and open but my daughter has got chronic constipiatiin from with holding iv had to have words with him about ensuring he is not shaming her etc as that’s not the way to manage it. She actually only really overcome it last lock down when she didn’t see him. I’m now wondering is this why? I remember at the time she was upset she had an accident and that his wife was upset. She was very pregnant at the time and I could tell that she was more short tempered, but I feel like this is something g traumatic for my daughter.

I want to encourage her to see her dad and family hut she is constantly saying she doesn’t want to go and says things like she doesn’t feel comfortable going down in the morning. She said she feel scared even though her dad hasn’t shouted at her or anything. She is a sensitive child and I do feel like he does try a lot with her but I’m just worried what will come out years down the line now.
I want her to be happy in life. He has got annoyed at times when I have collected her rather than her staying overnight because she was upset, he wants her there and had used things it’s upsetting for her sibling when she doesn’t. But I also need to do the right thing for her and right now I don’t know what that is!
Any ideas experienced?
I was also thinking maybe I should send her for some kind of therapy or something. I don’t want her memories as a child to be unhappy. Prior to lockdown she used to wake up in tears before she went and one day she told me ‘I dread every weekend being away from you’ whilst sobbing.

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Babybaby432 · 17/01/2021 15:16

I’m not in a similar situation and I haven’t ever been but I don’t feel she should be made to do something she really doesn’t want to do, especially as it seems there have been things contributing to her feeling this way.

GarlicMonkey · 17/01/2021 15:41

It won't be long now before she's deemed Gillick competent & will vote with her feet. If your ex wants her to continue seeing him then HE needs to put time & effort into addressing why she doesn't want to spend time at his house. I know you want the best for your daughter OP, but it isn't your responsibility to build a relationship between her & her dad that she values. That's down to him & his household. Tell him what's going on & make sure that he understands that neither you nor any family court judge will have the power to force her to see him soon. He needs to be addressing this now & laying solid foundations for a good relationship when she's a teenager.

TeenTitan007 · 17/01/2021 16:22

Shaming a child for an accident is a horrible thing to do. Sometimes my DD who is 6 and has no issues does have little accidents - mostly because she's too busy playing to go in time. DH gets worked up but I ensure he holds back any unkind words as I don't want it to become a 'thing'. It's utterly unforgivable for an adult to shame a child when they have accidents. 4 years is nothing! - unacceptable that they were unkind to her and the memory of it still hurts her.

I would openly discuss this with your DH so he has direction on what's wrong and where he should correct his behaviour. Some children are very sensitive and need gentler treatment than what others can endure.

Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 17:19

Thank you everyone. So this afternoon a few things have come out that I’m upset about she had to endure.
She is showing signs she is not comfortable and worried. Anyone know if I can put this in the hands of the private courts and on what basis? I feel like I want someone to hear her views and make a professilnsl opinion as I get a lot of allegations made about me not being supportive and iv suddenly realised both me and my daughter are feeling pressured into this and

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Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 17:36

Also I’m not sure I can get anywhere being this was all a long time ago. Am I over reacting? The thought that someone has scared my child kills me

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TaraR2020 · 17/01/2021 19:43

I hate to be the one to suggest it, but is there a possibility that she's experienced some sort of abuse there?

I think it might be something you need to gently explore and it might be useful to seek some advice about how best to do this.

Regardless, it's clearly a situation that needs very careful handling as you are clearly aware and I think setting her up with a child counsellor is a good choice.

I think if she's so upset at the thought of going and especially if she's experienced frightening or traumatic things while away from you then you definitely need to let her stay at home for the foreseeable. When she feels safe and protected, not only may she reveal what the issues are but she also feel more open to resuming visits in the future.

With regards to her father, I'd go for a sympathetic and but firm attitude and keep communication open with him (between the two of you) until you know the full story when you can decide how best to proceed.

Might be a good idea to speak to her teacher to see if they have concerns about her and also to gp for advice.

I hope whatever the issue is, it is down to parenting styles and not anything serious Flowers

Ponoka7 · 17/01/2021 19:46

If you want her to be happy why are you sending her? This is the cause of her unhappiness. Her meeds aren't being met and she is being emotionally abused. You aren't protecting her from this. You are both letting her down. She will ask you why you didn't protect her, when she is an adult.

Just stop sending her. Is a Court order in place? Does he have PR?

Ponoka7 · 17/01/2021 19:48

There's women on here who are in counselling when they just need to get out of the abusive relationship. Get your DD out of the abusive relationship, not into counselling.

RadGlags · 17/01/2021 19:59

I was the child in this situation. I remember having panic attacks over not wanting to go to my dads as a child and the relief when I was listened to and not made to go.
One thing I will say is that I felt massive guilt for years until my mum once said (offhand) that my dad should have made more effort in the relationship. I was about 20 at the time and now looking back of course I wasn’t at fault as a 5/6/7 year old but I was constantly told that I needed to go and my dad would be sad if I didn’t. So if you don’t make her go, please also make sure that she doesn’t feel like a bad person.

My dad married a woman with older children (teenagers when I was a young child) then they had another baby. Basically they were a family who made room for me to stay every other weekend. I wanted to see my dad but I didn’t want to be part of this family; I had my family.
I had to sleep on the floor of a teenagers room as there wasn’t space and I remember wetting myself in the night and being terrified. I used to wake up in the morning and lie there for hours until someone got me as I didn’t feel comfortable getting up and going downstairs in a house that wasn’t mine. I got sick once and was ‘told off’ for being too noisy in the night as everyone else was sleeping.

Nothing major but I HATED it, I still have such a visceral reaction to the whole thing as an adult.

Please listen to your daughter.

blueleonburger · 17/01/2021 20:17

Please listen to your daughter if she doesn’t want to go don’t force it. She doesn’t need the weekly upset.

Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 20:19

Hi everyone thanks for your replies,
I am going to get a counsellor I just don’t need to approach it with him as he alludes to court etc but to be honest I’m thinking maybe I need to take it there.

She has her own room there I know he adores her I do think it’s more that they a strict and she hasnt see anyone ever hit another child. I don’t think she is being abused as I have done a lot of exploring around this and what exactly it is. She says she wants to go but doesn’t want to stay the night but her dad seems so resistant about this and says that she needs to do something’s she doesn’t like as she is a child. She comes back and talks positively about things they have Done he has given her some life experiences that she wasn’t otherwise have had and on the flip side of these 2 experiences she is always told by them
Both that she is loved (they refer to her as her favourite), her dad makes the effort to take her out for meals alone and his wife also does girly stuff with. Just trying to add context as to the situation we are in. I’m trying to rationalise what is the best thing here and salvage their relationship but make sure she is happy. The thing that’s kept me sending her is that when she leaves she is sad but comes back happy and mostly will come back and say positive things although as she is older she doesn’t want to go. Like she is worried shout starting her period there and so am I. I think there is a relationship between her and father and his family but I don’t feel the arrangement is working with her. I’m thinking of mediation it’s got to the point where I dread even speaking to him about any of it I feel like it’s all I do.

It feels so difficult finding the right thing to do, she is quite an anxious child and I think being away from me is hard for her. I think I will contact someone this week. What I don’t want is for him to take me to court and for them
To arrange a higher frequency of contact and for her to be dragged through all that. That happened to a few of my friends and I think that would be worse. Do you think by 11 the courts would go on what she says ?

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Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 20:21

@RadGlags

I was the child in this situation. I remember having panic attacks over not wanting to go to my dads as a child and the relief when I was listened to and not made to go. One thing I will say is that I felt massive guilt for years until my mum once said (offhand) that my dad should have made more effort in the relationship. I was about 20 at the time and now looking back of course I wasn’t at fault as a 5/6/7 year old but I was constantly told that I needed to go and my dad would be sad if I didn’t. So if you don’t make her go, please also make sure that she doesn’t feel like a bad person.

My dad married a woman with older children (teenagers when I was a young child) then they had another baby. Basically they were a family who made room for me to stay every other weekend. I wanted to see my dad but I didn’t want to be part of this family; I had my family.
I had to sleep on the floor of a teenagers room as there wasn’t space and I remember wetting myself in the night and being terrified. I used to wake up in the morning and lie there for hours until someone got me as I didn’t feel comfortable getting up and going downstairs in a house that wasn’t mine. I got sick once and was ‘told off’ for being too noisy in the night as everyone else was sleeping.

Nothing major but I HATED it, I still have such a visceral reaction to the whole thing as an adult.

Please listen to your daughter.

Red glass this brought me to tears she says she waits until she is woken up too. The thing is I keep her giving her tips and trying to explain to him I’m just so scared that a court wouldn’t see it like this and we would end up worse off. I know if I stop the weekly visits he will go to court
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Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 20:25

I think I’m going to contact a professional Thai week because now I think about it if I have started to feel under pressure so is she.

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Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 20:25

Does anyone know who I would contact possibly carcass? Or mediation iv been worried about telling him all of this in case it ruins their relationship

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TaraR2020 · 17/01/2021 20:28

You sound wonderfully understanding and respectful of her relationship with her dad and her step mother.

Just a thought, does she call you while she's away? If it's down to homesickness, calling you in the evenings may help to alleviate it. I remember bedtimes being the time when the different routine felt strangest so given you say she is an anxious soul- and clearly concerned about puberty - perhaps this is when it hits her.

I'm awfully glad you don't believe there's reason to be concerned about abuse. Perhaps her father might be receptive to day visits only for the time being to take the pressure off her.

I do think the courts will listen to her at age 11, yes and I stand by pp that she shouldn't be made to go while she feels to strongly. if her dad can be understanding rather than angry and resentful it might all blow over in time.

Good luck Flowers

Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 20:39

@TaraR2020

You sound wonderfully understanding and respectful of her relationship with her dad and her step mother.

Just a thought, does she call you while she's away? If it's down to homesickness, calling you in the evenings may help to alleviate it. I remember bedtimes being the time when the different routine felt strangest so given you say she is an anxious soul- and clearly concerned about puberty - perhaps this is when it hits her.

I'm awfully glad you don't believe there's reason to be concerned about abuse. Perhaps her father might be receptive to day visits only for the time being to take the pressure off her.

I do think the courts will listen to her at age 11, yes and I stand by pp that she shouldn't be made to go while she feels to strongly. if her dad can be understanding rather than angry and resentful it might all blow over in time.

Good luck Flowers

Thank you. That’s my worst fear and I have often done direct work activities with my daughter to encourage any discussion of that. Also I have made a big thing of no secrets with anyone and as a result (and sometimes rather embarrassingly for me) she is a very open little girl who likes to talk about everything a lot 😂 she tells me a lot and has no other signs. She doesn’t stay elsewhere either and I do trust that he has her best interests at heart as when I have spoken to him about things he has really tried to do things to help her. I think that’s what confuses me about all this he is a nice dad, he’s reliable and always wants to include her and that’s why iv tried really hard to support her in trying to adjust this. I think the bottom line is she just doesn’t feel comfortable. I hate the thought of her struggling away from me that’s something a lot of kids haven’t had to deal with and I worry so much about it.
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Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 20:41

No she doesn’t call she tells me that this upsets her more. She tells me that she cries herself to sleep when away from me. I told him and asked he check on her at night to give her a cuddle to make her feel reassured. He said she wasn’t crying so I thought maybe that’s her trying to express how she feels to me x

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changedmynamelol · 17/01/2021 20:41

Do you have a court order in place? Don't go against a court order if you do. Get some legal advice

Aspiringmatriarch · 17/01/2021 20:42

What would happen if he did go to court? It sounds as if some of these incidents would show him in quite a negative light.

FlowersPoor you and dd, it sounds so distressing. Without a doubt I'd do everything I could to keep her with you, and let things play out in the courts if necessary. At least in the meantime she's safely with you and knows you're fighting her corner. And surely courts would take her wishes into account at aged 10.

Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 20:48

There’s no court order we have always agreed on things but part of that is I do feel I have allowed things that she hasn’t wanted. I really want her to have a good relationship with him but it can’t be right if she is consistently expressing she is not happy can it. I start to worry about her future mental health with this too.
I’m not sure what would happen I think it could be seen that I’m not allowing a relationship of I stop overnight visits and I know they don’t view that well. I’m not trying to do that though I’m just being led by what my daughter is expressing. It’s not a one off view of hers either it’s very consistent. Iv pushed it cos I thought the more she got used to it she would accept it but she hasn’t and it’s just starting to feel awful. And what with her saying that today I feel at odds with what to do.

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Aspiringmatriarch · 17/01/2021 20:57

I think the bottom line is that she's miserable going there for overnights, so no overnights for the time being. She could still see him but I think if she's this upset, listen to her. It doesn't mean he's abusive per se but it doesn't sound great either, and clearly it's causing her huge anxiety. I'm sure that's not easy for him to hear, but he needs to put her need to feel happy and secure over his 'rights' to overnight stays. And work on his relationship with her patiently over time. He's the grown up, he has to do what's best for her wellbeing and clearly the current arrangement is not working for your daughter at all. I understand about coming home saying positive things about what they've done, but that doesn't negate the lying awake feeling desperately unhappy etc.

Shelby2010 · 17/01/2021 21:05

He doesn’t sound like a bad father from what you say. Is she worried or feeling guilty that you’re left on your own? If she’s quite sensitive this could be part of the problem.

It sounds like the best thing would be for her to go during the day & come home at bedtime. Could you suggest that she does this for a few months to ‘re-set’ her experience? If you had a good enough relationship with ex & step-mum you could consider asking DD if she wants to invite her sibling for a sleepover at your house?

Nodramalama36 · 17/01/2021 21:06

@Aspiringmatriarch

I think the bottom line is that she's miserable going there for overnights, so no overnights for the time being. She could still see him but I think if she's this upset, listen to her. It doesn't mean he's abusive per se but it doesn't sound great either, and clearly it's causing her huge anxiety. I'm sure that's not easy for him to hear, but he needs to put her need to feel happy and secure over his 'rights' to overnight stays. And work on his relationship with her patiently over time. He's the grown up, he has to do what's best for her wellbeing and clearly the current arrangement is not working for your daughter at all. I understand about coming home saying positive things about what they've done, but that doesn't negate the lying awake feeling desperately unhappy etc.
Thank you I think that’s what I needed to hear. I keep doubting myself and thinking maybe if i just do this or that. It really is about her and he needs to see that too x
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strangerontheinternet · 17/01/2021 21:12

Could you try speaking to him and explain and maybe speak to her about how she'd feel spending the day then you take her home for night? And to maybe bargain with him/make her more comfortable seeing her dad more often could you instead suggest an extra day she sees him or for example when things open up a bit more again could he also pick her from school 1 day a week and go for some food like Nando's, cinema, pancakes that type thing just him and her and maybe try bond/build their relationship then she might be more comfortable? I know I still am the type of person to dread seeing people or family I've not seen in ages but then when I do it's fine. I was so close to maternal grandparents then when I'd have to stay at paternal DGM for the occasional night I'd be upset snd not want to go but only cause I wasn't used to it. I'm not suggesting it's the same but could you remove the overnight and get him onboard to build his bond with her and also some time just them away from his new family x

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