To ask for the positives and negatives of Brexit now it’s happened

[Butterflyfluff]

I haven’t put this in the Brexit section as it’s the same old faces in there

I was looking for more ‘everyday’ opinions

I’ve read / heard about

• VAT charges on goods imported from the EU since 1/1/21
• shortages of certain items in supermarkets, especially in Northern Ireland
• chaos in the fishing industry

There doesn’t seem to be much of an upside - even ‘taking back control’ seems a distant dream as it looks to me like we’ve got years to come of negiotiating all sorts with the EU

What have we gained from Brexit?

And what other problems are there that people have experienced so far

You can only spend 90 days out of every 180 in Europe now, which is pretty awful for me professionally and personally...

I can’t think of any upsides, but I never saw any of the “taking back control” things as good... I got an email from a petition site last night trying to get signatures to stop the government from changing the working hours directive. I have no idea how likely that is to happen, but I’m not sure one government having all the control was ever going to be a good thing, whether or not you agreed with individual EU decisions.

I'm definitely glad we have been able to independently forge onwards with a massive vaccination program that's seen millions vaccinated already.

@LickEmbysmiling

I'm definitely glad we have been able to independently forge onwards with a massive vaccination program that's seen millions vaccinated already.

How is that down to Brexit?

There’s also a global pandemic going on right now and we’ve only just left so really you are starting another bash anyone that voted brexit thread. You won’t put it in the right topic because anyone in their right mind won’t go in there. I feel you are being mightily disingenuous and I hope people ignore you.

Erm, Argentina are happy because the deal doesn't include The Falklands, so they are left facing tariffs on fishing, which makes up a huge amount of their economy. Falklanders pissed off with Westminster is always good news for Argentina.

I do yougov surveys which are usually a good indicator of policies the government is trying to sound out. My most recent one was about how many hours I think a business should be able to make you work in a week. Slightly concerning post brexit...

There are only two upsides I can see- the agreement for Gibraltar to be part of the Schengen agreement (subject to details), and that it will be less the subject of discussion, so other issues are not forgotten.

The fact there’s a global pandemic only serves to perfectly illustrate what a small world we live in and how so much is intertwined with the rest of the world - trying to be ‘independent’ is all a bit pointless

Interesting that ‘we haven’t left yet’ has been replaced by ‘we’ve only just left’ now

When will we actually start to get some positives rather than being fobbed off all the time?

Well we have vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe put together I think they’ve said. We could start the vaccination process earlier and independent of Europe.

I live a mile from the coast in the SW, it seems like the fishing industry aren't very happy with how it is going although they seemed to be keen on the idea of Brexit. I'm a bit fed up with the local news being dominated by them and even more so with Rees Mogg and his happy British fish.

I'm definitely glad we have been able to independently forge onwards with a massive vaccination program that's seen millions vaccinated already.

Except we're paying more per vaccine than the EU is...

@FoxyTheFox

I'm definitely glad we have been able to independently forge onwards with a massive vaccination program that's seen millions vaccinated already.

Except we're paying more per vaccine than the EU is...

And even in the EU we could still have done that.

When will we actually start to get some positives rather than being fobbed off all the time?
I doubt whether any of the concrete positives of Brexit will ever come to fruition.

@Butterflyfluff

The fact there’s a global pandemic only serves to perfectly illustrate what a small world we live in and how so much is intertwined with the rest of the world - trying to be ‘independent’ is all a bit pointless

Interesting that ‘we haven’t left yet’ has been replaced by ‘we’ve only just left’ now

When will we actually start to get some positives rather than being fobbed off all the time?

Your OP is completely disingenuous. It's literally been 2 weeks and we're in the middle of a global pandemic. The shortsightedness of some people is truly staggering.

Brexit wasn't about things becoming better in 2 weeks. It was about a long term view, looking where the EU as an organisation was headed. Exactly the same with the Euro argument (join/don't join) 20 odd years ago.

We won't really know whether it was for the best for about a decade, realistically, especially given the long terms effects of the pandemic, but I personally suspect it will be. Just like it turned out to be a very good idea not joining the Euro.

I speak as someone whose Eastern European immigrant parents - and many of their friends - managed to move to the UK long before Freedom of Movement was in place. FoM really isn't the be all and end all. People can still travel work and live in other countries, even if you have to jump through a few more hoops

@sebastianthecrab The point is that the Leave campaign did promise immediate benefits - not after a decade or so. If they had said that upfront, it's very unlikely they would have won.

Your goods aren't reaching Ireland. Stuff ordered online is normally here in 2-5 days, some of it hasn't arrived in weeks.

I've made sure now anything I buy doesn't originate in the UK.

Also, large charges for duty and handling fees are being added, often more than the goods are worth. People are now refusing the parcels and opting for refunds.

British goods are no longer practical to buy online.

Where is the £350,000,000 per week?

@Pukkatea

I do yougov surveys which are usually a good indicator of policies the government is trying to sound out. My most recent one was about how many hours I think a business should be able to make you work in a week. Slightly concerning post brexit...

I saw that too & was very concerned that some people think working 48 hours+ a week is acceptable

You don't really want to hear any benefits do you op ,and you started this thread in Aibu as you know it will go the way of all the other BREXIT threads in Aibu 🙄

Owing to Covid, the effects of Brexit haven't begun to be felt properly yet because people aren't travelling for work or leisure atm and goods delays can be blamed on the pandemic. Also, because the deal was agreed so late ladt year, manufacturers & importers and exporters are only now starting to wrestle with the paperwork. It's going to take years and years before the full impact can be assessed. And even then, it's going to be difficult to quantify the impact of some of the things we have lost, such as, soft power.

However, here's an article on some of the morw immediate effects :

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-trade-problems-fish-eu_uk_6001ba68c5b62c0057bc9aa8

Come back in 50 years, OP. When Jacob Rees Mogg says the benefits should start to be felt.

Negative - A few drivers have had their ham & cheese sandwiches confiscated. This is a national disaster and will result in up to zero redundancies in the sandwich sector, a 0.00000000001% fall in GDP and maybe even the total destruction of western civilisation.

Negative - Hundreds of dodgy looking media people have swamped Dover to report on the absolute chaos. Major problems include the shocking sight of 3 lorries parked at Joe's Greasy Spoon as their drivers enjoy their final cheese and ham sandwiches whilst awaiting the ferries they have booked later that day.

Positive - Nigel Farage and his party has followed Jo Swinson and her party into total irrelevancy where they can spend more time at home enjoying their cheese and ham sandwiches.

I think workers rights are due to go down the toilet

But

Ds2 has a rather fetching blue passport now, so it's all good

I doubt there is any greater insight now than there was during the vote or the aftermath of the vote and then the aftermath of the deal.

For me it's about what we have lost. In my 20ies I moved to Spain and lived and worked there for over a decade. I had so much fun, learned so much and had my DD. I'm so sad that this opportunity has been taken from her.