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I need help to understand Zombies.

112 replies

Cocolapew · 09/01/2021 00:15

In Zombie films if a Zombie bites you, you become one, but what about the people who Zombies devour? Surely they can't become a Zombie with missing limbs, how would they chase anyone if they had no legs?

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Ginmaker · 09/01/2021 06:08

I selected my house on a peninsula to protect from zombies. Block entry onto peninsula with big iron fences (we know they get stuck and angry behind them) and protected by cliffs and sea otherwise.

Then I saw The Walking Dead series where the fuckers had learned to swim.

Had to move house

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 09/01/2021 06:12

What I don't understand is, if they are dead, they don't need to eat to survive. A zombie with no limbs is unlikely to be able to catch a living person to eat, so what happens to them? They don't die of hunger, they are already dead.

nicebreeze · 09/01/2021 06:13

@MySqueeHasBeenSeverelyHarshed

Everything depends on the source of the zombification. In early zombie lore a person was raised from the dead by a medicine man and did his bidding, so it could attack and kill people but may or may not eat them, and didn't create other zombies.

In Romero films and assorted media, the source is hinted at being some sort of alien radiation. Some zombies are hungry and eating human flesh, others are just malevolent and want to kill people and use tools to do so. They don't always leave enough of a person left to turn but when they do, that person is infected.

In fast zombie revival films, the zombies appear to have some sort of rabies-like virus that make them self-destructive as well as other-people-destructive, and staying intact long enough to turn yourself depends on how many zombies are attacking you. They seem to give up and run off to find a new victim when the old one stops moving, so a lone zombie will attack you until you bleed out and then feck off to attack someone else.

In the Walking Dead and other related media, everyone is infected (airborne pathogen?) but living people are asymptomatic, it only reanimates once the person is dead, and getting bitten gives you a dose of the active virus that kills you. The virus probably repels maggots that would normally eat the flesh.

The real-life fungus Cordyceps is the inspiration for The Last of Us and a few other zombie-related media. Its spores infect insects and caterpillars and grow over the brain, influencing the affected creature to do things beneficial to the fungus and eventually killing it and feeding on its corpse.

Other misc sources are self-replicating nanomachines, demonic possession, evolutionary kill switches, brain parasites and voodoo curses.

Thank you!!! This is everything I wanted to say (and more!) but couldn't be bothered to type
TVDFan · 09/01/2021 06:13

The Walking Dead pretty much answers all of your questions in seasons 1 and 2 🤷‍♀️

APheasantPluckersSon · 09/01/2021 06:15

You need the textbook if you really want to understand zombies OP:

www.goodreads.com/book/show/21981632

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 09/01/2021 06:18

And the zombies are always at different stages of rotting corpse so clearly rotting away, but do they ever just get to skeleton? Then what? Because presumably if the rest of the body has completely decomposed, the brain will have too so they're not a zombie any more?

nicebreeze · 09/01/2021 06:19

@MySqueeHasBeenSeverelyHarshed

Everything depends on the source of the zombification. In early zombie lore a person was raised from the dead by a medicine man and did his bidding, so it could attack and kill people but may or may not eat them, and didn't create other zombies.

In Romero films and assorted media, the source is hinted at being some sort of alien radiation. Some zombies are hungry and eating human flesh, others are just malevolent and want to kill people and use tools to do so. They don't always leave enough of a person left to turn but when they do, that person is infected.

In fast zombie revival films, the zombies appear to have some sort of rabies-like virus that make them self-destructive as well as other-people-destructive, and staying intact long enough to turn yourself depends on how many zombies are attacking you. They seem to give up and run off to find a new victim when the old one stops moving, so a lone zombie will attack you until you bleed out and then feck off to attack someone else.

In the Walking Dead and other related media, everyone is infected (airborne pathogen?) but living people are asymptomatic, it only reanimates once the person is dead, and getting bitten gives you a dose of the active virus that kills you. The virus probably repels maggots that would normally eat the flesh.

The real-life fungus Cordyceps is the inspiration for The Last of Us and a few other zombie-related media. Its spores infect insects and caterpillars and grow over the brain, influencing the affected creature to do things beneficial to the fungus and eventually killing it and feeding on its corpse.

Other misc sources are self-replicating nanomachines, demonic possession, evolutionary kill switches, brain parasites and voodoo curses.

Thinking about Return of the Living Dead - isn't the implication some sort of military secret / bio weapon?
MusicalTrifleMonkey · 09/01/2021 06:36

@LegendDairy

Zombies don't eat people entirely they just want a bite to turn you into a zombie and a zombie isn't dead till you hit it in the head so they'll just crawl after you leaving the legs behind.

You got red on you.

Not true! Zombies want to eat other people. I think if bitten you turn into a zombie, sonic you have no arms and legs or guts then you’re still a zombie you just can’t do anything. It’s only if the brain is destroyed that the zombie ‘dies’. That’s what I understand anyway!
Mypathtriedtokillme · 09/01/2021 09:12

Also why do they bleed?

If your dead there is no heart pumping and the bloody would just pool in their lower limb and turn gelatinous.

Cocolapew · 09/01/2021 09:28

Well, this is a lot of information to wake up too, Grin.

It doesn't help that different films/programs have different Zombies, there should be a generic model that they all have to use.

Is it better to run and fight or just succumb to them and be one yourself? How bad can it be? I'm not sure my stess levels could cope with being on the run all the time.

If I do decide to fight, I want an automatic weapon, none of this pistol rubbish.

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Nameitychangity · 09/01/2021 09:50

A few thoughts.

  1. There are Zombie animals in some of the stuff. The dog in I Am legend turns into a zombie dog. In Pet Sematary Two the dig also turns into a zombie of sorts.
  2. I suppose they need to eat to keep the virus alive, as even though the animated body is technically dead, it is the virus which is animating the body, and the virus is still alive and needs nourishment.
  3. Cutting off the head isn't enough guys! It's been made clear in many movies that a zombie head can stay animated and pose a danger even if separated from the body. You need to destroy the brain! Honestly, you guys wouldn't last a minute!
  4. Some zombies are content with biting and infecting others, other zombies feast on the flesh and innards of their victims. That victim will go on to become a zombie no matter what the state of devourment, assuming that the brain has not been destroyed.
  5. Some people can seem to 'resist' the virus if they have enough willpower - see films such as Return of the Living Dead 3 where the love of the couple stops her fully turning, or Cargo, where the love of a father for his daughter stops him eating her.
Thingsdogetbetter · 09/01/2021 09:56

Best thread ever!!

USA zombie media have too much philosophy and survivor ponderings. UK has gone too far with the comedy. Korean zombies are the best - Last Train to Buscan, Alive and the series Kingdom are amazing.

Shinyletsbebadguys · 09/01/2021 10:13

Grin DP and I have these conversations regularly (I am a big fan of the walking dead and zombie films , no idea why,i don't really watch much else....DP thinks i have mildly aggressive tendencies and zombies would be a legitimate way for me to become an aggressive ass kicker Grin)

So we have come up with this.

As above even if you are eaten you are still a zombie until your brain is eaten , you just can't move . Many examples of half eaten zombies wandering around with bits missing.

The moving thing is basically two canons....fast and slow. 28 days later v the walking dead. We decided it was just different forms of the virus and length of infection. Older zombies (since being zombies no relation to biological age ...keep losing bits so harder to move)

Need to bite is more about incpnciois virus spread. A primal impetus like an instinct rather than a conscious need. No conscious need at all.. because zombie. Definition of instinct driven behaviour.

We also regularly discuss that there are two worlds. One where people have zombie films an done where they don't. On the grounds that many start with a shuffling , blood covered , growling , ill looking attacker and the victim is all confused and thinks they are on drugs or whatever. When in reality anyone who has seen the walking dead would instantly think " Bloody hell it's a zombie" run like hell ,change into suitable leather and canvas apocalyptic clothing and start arming the DC.

So some must be set in a world where they have never seen a zombie film to be confused as to what this clearly zombie like individual who is trying to bite them is.

We may or may not have over discussed this in 2020 Grin

pelosi · 09/01/2021 10:14

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

What I don't understand is, if they are dead, they don't need to eat to survive. A zombie with no limbs is unlikely to be able to catch a living person to eat, so what happens to them? They don't die of hunger, they are already dead.
It seems to be a compulsion rather than hunger. Like they’ll be eating a fresh corpse and then leave it and move it to the next fresh corpse.
MusicalTrifleMonkey · 09/01/2021 10:35

@Cocolapew

Well, this is a lot of information to wake up too, Grin.

It doesn't help that different films/programs have different Zombies, there should be a generic model that they all have to use.

Is it better to run and fight or just succumb to them and be one yourself? How bad can it be? I'm not sure my stess levels could cope with being on the run all the time.

If I do decide to fight, I want an automatic weapon, none of this pistol rubbish.

I’ve thought this before! If we all became zombies would we eventually evolve to live happily in a zombie society?
PinkPurpleOrangeBrownBlue · 09/01/2021 10:42

If you really want to scare yourself, Google ‘deer wasting disease’. It is the start of the zombie apocalypse. It’s only a matter for time before it mutates across to humans.

Cocolapew · 09/01/2021 10:52

I'm not Googling anything of the sort! I'm too old and fat to go running from Zombies.
Me and MusicalTrifleMonkey are going to live in Zombieville. I'm going to be a shuffling Zombie. I'll probably keep my slippers on.

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Poorpigletsrevenge · 09/01/2021 10:55

@Cocolapew I spent a long time previously wondering if Vampires use the toilet? They drink the blood and digest it, so it makes sense that they’d need to expel the waste. Yes I can’t imagine Count Dracula taking a dump.

summerstorms · 09/01/2021 11:01

I spend far to much time wondering how vampires get erections

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 09/01/2021 12:33

My oldest ds asked me what I would do if there was a zombie apocalypse and he was horrified when I said I would kill all my children first, then kill myself. I have given it some serious thought and it just seems like the best option.

Cocolapew · 09/01/2021 13:08

[quote Poorpigletsrevenge]@Cocolapew I spent a long time previously wondering if Vampires use the toilet? They drink the blood and digest it, so it makes sense that they’d need to expel the waste. Yes I can’t imagine Count Dracula taking a dump.[/quote]
They never used the toilet in What We Do In The Shadows but if they ate human food they vomited it back up, copiously.
They definitely got erections too.

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Mypathtriedtokillme · 09/01/2021 13:11

@PinkPurpleOrangeBrownBlue

If you really want to scare yourself, Google ‘deer wasting disease’. It is the start of the zombie apocalypse. It’s only a matter for time before it mutates across to humans.
It’s in the Prion disease family like BSE (mad cow disease) in cattle, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in Humans.

Humans can in theory get it by eating infected meat and brain tissue they just haven’t had a notified human case... Yet.
(It’s been proven that primates can be infected with CWD)

Snaketime · 09/01/2021 13:56

I havent RTFT only the first page. It all depends on what film/programme you are watching and their take on what it was that caused it. In World War Z it is a mutation of rabies that has caused it so they they are basically rabid humans on the rampage hence why they can, it's the same in 28 days/28 weeks later. It was a lab made virus that cause the outbreak, they can run and any that were eaten don't come back as they are dead and it doesn't reanimated corpses.
Re eating animals in some such as Dawn of the Dead, they do not eat animals only humans, but in the Walking Dead they do eat animals as seen when they eat the horse Rick was riding and Ezekiel's tiger Shiva amongst other wild animals, again it is all down to creative licence and what makes sense in that world.
Generally speaking though OP, in the majority of Zombie films even those that have been eaten will still reanimate even if they have been devoured as long as their brain is intact. Even if they are beheaded, the body will stop moving but the head will still be reanimated until you destroy the brain as the brain stem is the only thing still functioning.

MusicalTrifleMonkey · 09/01/2021 16:19

How does breeding with a zombie work? If I bonked a zombie, would my baby be human, zombie or mixed?

RedRosie · 09/01/2021 16:23

The zombies in World War Z are proper scary because they are so speedy.

I prefer a slow moving zombie me.